[Harvey]

The Newtown killer was a mentally disturbed young man living with his mother. She had legally purchased her arsenal and had even taught her son how to responsibly handle firearms.

Precisely my point. It's just too damn easy for guns to fall into the wrong hands in the US. Yeah, by purchasing firearms legally, you're probably not intending to murder people, but as you've said yourself, stealing guns is a piece of piss. Any smart serial killer or psychopath would be able to obtain a gun legally in the US.

you don't need a background check to get one.

You only require a background check to purchase guns in 18 states in the US.

I can't see the logic here. What makes you think that gun control in the US won't reduce murder and homicide? What makes you so different from other places like Australia and the UK? It's a really simple concept: you get rid of the guns, and people have nothing to slaughter others with... Don't tell me that won't stop gun-related homicide and that the guns are obtained illegally. If America were to implement the same system Australia did, there would be 40 million less guns on the streets of the US. Tell me how that wouldn't save lives...

[Cake]

The Newtown killer was a mentally disturbed young man living with his mother. She had legally purchased her arsenal and had even taught her son how to responsibly handle firearms.

Precisely my point. It's just too damn easy for guns to fall into the wrong hands in the US. Yeah, by purchasing firearms legally, you're probably not intending to murder people, but as you've said yourself, stealing guns is a piece of piss. Any smart serial killer or psychopath would be able to obtain a gun legally in the US.

you don't need a background check to get one.

You only require a background check to purchase guns in 18 states in the US.

I can't see the logic here. What makes you think that gun control in the US won't reduce murder and homicide? What makes you so different from other places like Australia and the UK? It's a really simple concept: you get rid of the guns, and people have nothing to slaughter others with... Don't tell me that won't stop gun-related homicide and that the guns are obtained illegally. If America were to implement the same system Australia did, there would be 40 million less guns on the streets of the US. Tell me how that wouldn't save lives...

Getting rid of guns wont lower homicide because people will just do it with objects like knifes. What are we going to do? Ban knifes?
Also you're missing part of the first quote you made. That woman didn't lock her guns up properly even tho she well knew her kid was mentally challenged. Also look at Sweden. 1 in every 2 people in Sweden have guns and yet they have the lowest crime rate in the world. I think they are doing something right by government subsidizing guns and ammunition.

[Harvey]

The Newtown killer was a mentally disturbed young man living with his mother. She had legally purchased her arsenal and had even taught her son how to responsibly handle firearms.

Precisely my point. It's just too damn easy for guns to fall into the wrong hands in the US. Yeah, by purchasing firearms legally, you're probably not intending to murder people, but as you've said yourself, stealing guns is a piece of piss. Any smart serial killer or psychopath would be able to obtain a gun legally in the US.

you don't need a background check to get one.

You only require a background check to purchase guns in 18 states in the US.

I can't see the logic here. What makes you think that gun control in the US won't reduce murder and homicide? What makes you so different from other places like Australia and the UK? It's a really simple concept: you get rid of the guns, and people have nothing to slaughter others with... Don't tell me that won't stop gun-related homicide and that the guns are obtained illegally. If America were to implement the same system Australia did, there would be 40 million less guns on the streets of the US. Tell me how that wouldn't save lives...

Getting rid of guns wont lower homicide because people will just do it with objects like knifes. What are we going to do? Ban knifes?
Also you're missing part of the first quote you made. That woman didn't lock her guns up properly even tho she well knew her kid was mentally challenged. Also look at Sweden. 1 in every 2 people in Sweden have guns and yet they have the lowest crime rate in the world. I think they are doing something right by government subsidizing guns and ammunition.

I don't know where you're getting your facts from. US is ranked 1 for number of guns per capita, whereas Sweden is ranked number 10 with a third of the number US has per capita.

Also you're missing part of the first quote you made. That woman didn't lock her guns up properly even tho she well knew her kid was mentally challenged.

That's exactly my point! It's too easy for people to get access to firearms in the US. That's the fucking problem! And when they do happen to be locked up, you said it yourself, people steal them. It's the fact that they exist that is the problem.

Regardless of how you control it or how you regulate it, there will always be a relationship between the sheer volume of guns in public circulation, and gun-related homicide.

Getting rid of guns wont lower homicide because people will just do it with objects like knifes. What are we going to do? Ban knifes?

You think you can walk into a school and stab everybody to death? Unless you're a master butcher, it can sometimes take up to 40 stabs to kill someone. In a public place with lots of people, you aren't going to have that opportunity.

It's a lot easier with a semi-automatic military assault rifle with additional magazines strapped to you.

What? Do you think that since people don't have access to guns, they're going to switch to machetes now? You can't run from a rifle. It's a completely different ball game. Give 100 people machine guns and tell them to kill as many people as they can in 10 minutes. Give 100 people knives and tell them to kill as many people as they can in 10 minutes. Get the idea?

[Cake]

Precisely my point. It's just too damn easy for guns to fall into the wrong hands in the US. Yeah, by purchasing firearms legally, you're probably not intending to murder people, but as you've said yourself, stealing guns is a piece of piss. Any smart serial killer or psychopath would be able to obtain a gun legally in the US.


You only require a background check to purchase guns in 18 states in the US.

I can't see the logic here. What makes you think that gun control in the US won't reduce murder and homicide? What makes you so different from other places like Australia and the UK? It's a really simple concept: you get rid of the guns, and people have nothing to slaughter others with... Don't tell me that won't stop gun-related homicide and that the guns are obtained illegally. If America were to implement the same system Australia did, there would be 40 million less guns on the streets of the US. Tell me how that wouldn't save lives...

Getting rid of guns wont lower homicide because people will just do it with objects like knifes. What are we going to do? Ban knifes?
Also you're missing part of the first quote you made. That woman didn't lock her guns up properly even tho she well knew her kid was mentally challenged. Also look at Sweden. 1 in every 2 people in Sweden have guns and yet they have the lowest crime rate in the world. I think they are doing something right by government subsidizing guns and ammunition.

I don't know where you're getting your facts from. US is ranked 1 for number of guns per capita, whereas Sweden is ranked number 10 with a third of the number US has per capita.

Also you're missing part of the first quote you made. That woman didn't lock her guns up properly even tho she well knew her kid was mentally challenged.

That's exactly my point! It's too easy for people to get access to firearms in the US. That's the fucking problem! And when they do happen to be locked up, you said it yourself, people steal them. It's the fact that they exist that is the problem.

Regardless of how you control it or how you regulate it, there will always be a relationship between the sheer volume of guns in public circulation, and gun-related homicide.

Getting rid of guns wont lower homicide because people will just do it with objects like knifes. What are we going to do? Ban knifes?

You think you can walk into a school and stab everybody to death? Unless you're a master butcher, it can sometimes take up to 40 stabs to kill someone. In a public place with lots of people, you aren't going to have that opportunity.

It's a lot easier with a semi-automatic military assault rifle with additional magazines strapped to you.

What? Do you think that since people don't have access to guns, they're going to switch to machetes now? You can't run from a rifle. It's a completely different ball game. Give 100 people machine guns and tell them to kill as many people as they can in 10 minutes. Give 100 people knives and tell them to kill as many people as they can in 10 minutes. Get the idea?

Well here we go again tho. Guns shouldn't be taken away or restricted more because of the stupidity of other people who don't have the common sense to lock up their guns properly.

Also someone could bring throwing knifes in you can't run from that. What if someone ran down the halls with a razor slashing peoples throats? That would be easily possible. Also I said 1 in every 2 people in Sweden have a gun I didn't say they have the most guns. Guns are subsidized over in Sweden because they don't have an official military but rather a militia. I do believe that this world would be safer with people being able to carry guns as they please as long as they aren't mentally challenged and know how to take care of a gun and use it responsibly.

[Harvey]

Guns shouldn't be taken away or restricted more because of the stupidity of other people who don't have the common sense to lock up their guns properly.

Unfortunately, it's because of these people we have to implement gun control. We wouldn't do this if everyone having a gun played by the rules. The fact is, when you have 40 million guns in the public, they ARE going to fall into the wrong hands. You can't stop that from happening no matter how educated or protective you are.

Also someone could bring throwing knifes in you can't run from that.

Come on, really?

Also I said 1 in every 2 people in Sweden have a gun I didn't say they have the most guns.

Neither did I. In fact, I said they're ranked 10th. And no, there is only 31 guns in Sweden per 100 people.

I do believe that this world would be safer with people being able to carry guns as they please as long as they aren't mentally challenged and know how to take care of a gun and use it responsibly.

We don't have to worry about the people who aren't mentally challenged. We don't have to worry about the ones who use it responsibly. We have to worry about the teenagers who stole a gun and decided to murder people for fun. We have to worry about the serial killers, the murderers, and the thieves. These people will acquire guns and they will use them to kill.

Therefore, the only solution is to remove them. That way these people cannot acquire these guns to kill. Yes, it's completely unfair for the people who do use them responsibly. It's just a sad case of a few people ruining it for the rest.

[Cake]

Guns shouldn't be taken away or restricted more because of the stupidity of other people who don't have the common sense to lock up their guns properly.

Unfortunately, it's because of these people we have to implement gun control. We wouldn't do this if everyone having a gun played by the rules. The fact is, when you have 40 million guns in the public, they ARE going to fall into the wrong hands. You can't stop that from happening no matter how educated or protective you are.

Also someone could bring throwing knifes in you can't run from that.

Come on, really?

Also I said 1 in every 2 people in Sweden have a gun I didn't say they have the most guns.

Neither did I. In fact, I said they're ranked 10th. And no, there is only 31 guns in Sweden per 100 people.

I do believe that this world would be safer with people being able to carry guns as they please as long as they aren't mentally challenged and know how to take care of a gun and use it responsibly.

We don't have to worry about the people who aren't mentally challenged. We don't have to worry about the ones who use it responsibly. We have to worry about the teenagers who stole a gun and decided to murder people for fun. We have to worry about the serial killers, the murderers, and the thieves. These people will acquire guns and they will use them to kill.

Therefore, the only solution is to remove them. That way these people cannot acquire these guns to kill. Yes, it's completely unfair for the people who do use them responsibly. It's just a sad case of a few people ruining it for the rest.

Yes but what you're missing is the plain simple fact that Teenagers who STEAL a gun or serial killers who obtain their guns ILLEGALLY. Therefore gun control would not help. You just have to think these people aren't getting their guns legally. That kid who stole his mothers guns obtained them illegally. Yes she was stupid and didn't lock up her guns properly but her son still stole them.

[Harvey]

Yes but what you're missing is the plain simple fact that Teenagers who STEAL a gun or serial killers who obtain their guns ILLEGALLY. Therefore gun control would not help. You just have to think these people aren't getting their guns legally. That kid who stole his mothers guns obtained them illegally. Yes she was stupid and didn't lock up her guns properly but her son still stole them.

You can't steal something or obtain something illegally if it doesn't exist. I know the people who steal guns are doing it illegally. You think gun control is aimed at stopping people who are obtaining guns legally? No. Gun control removes guns. Gone. You can't steal something that does not exist!

[Cake]

Yes but what you're missing is the plain simple fact that Teenagers who STEAL a gun or serial killers who obtain their guns ILLEGALLY. Therefore gun control would not help. You just have to think these people aren't getting their guns legally. That kid who stole his mothers guns obtained them illegally. Yes she was stupid and didn't lock up her guns properly but her son still stole them.

You can't steal something or obtain something illegally if it doesn't exist. I know the people who steal guns are doing it illegally. You think gun control is aimed at stopping people who are obtaining guns legally? No. Gun control removes guns. Gone. You can't steal something that does not exist!

Yes you can... Gun traffickers are still going to import guns illegally into the united states and sell them. People will still manage to get a hold of guns and kill people.

[Guardian]

Yes but what you're missing is the plain simple fact that Teenagers who STEAL a gun or serial killers who obtain their guns ILLEGALLY. Therefore gun control would not help. You just have to think these people aren't getting their guns legally. That kid who stole his mothers guns obtained them illegally. Yes she was stupid and didn't lock up her guns properly but her son still stole them.

You can't steal something or obtain something illegally if it doesn't exist. I know the people who steal guns are doing it illegally. You think gun control is aimed at stopping people who are obtaining guns legally? No. Gun control removes guns. Gone. You can't steal something that does not exist!

You can never eliminate guns. They will always be there. If the general populace can't acquire them, it doesn't mean they are still not being passed around on the black market. Hell, people can make guns from home if they wanted to.

[Harvey]

Yes but what you're missing is the plain simple fact that Teenagers who STEAL a gun or serial killers who obtain their guns ILLEGALLY. Therefore gun control would not help. You just have to think these people aren't getting their guns legally. That kid who stole his mothers guns obtained them illegally. Yes she was stupid and didn't lock up her guns properly but her son still stole them.

You can't steal something or obtain something illegally if it doesn't exist. I know the people who steal guns are doing it illegally. You think gun control is aimed at stopping people who are obtaining guns legally? No. Gun control removes guns. Gone. You can't steal something that does not exist!

Yes you can... Gun traffickers are still going to import guns illegally into the united states and sell them. People will still manage to get a hold of guns and kill people.

You can never eliminate guns. They will always be there. If the general populace can't acquire them, it doesn't mean they are still not being passed around on the black market. Hell, people can make guns from home if they wanted to.

Of course, of course. There will always be guns. And there will always be guns in Australia. If you REALLY wanted to, you could get your hands on one. The fact is, a gun control system would remove 40 million firearms from the US public making it incredibly difficult to do so. Sure, there will be the odd time someone does manage to get a hold of a gun and blast everyone up. But for most crooks, this is no longer an option.