[Andrea Bags]

no I don't own my body even with the free will I have

[Boudica]

This is what I love about this place, the diversity that can come up out of the blue, to redirect my mind to other things,and truly import things for me, that I have sometimes come to ignore, because I have lost a sense of control and experienced pain, not the physical kind, call it a broken heart, worry, sadness, etc............but that's on me,  do I own my body, I would say no, we rent them and control what we can or think we can, and it will fail us one day.  But, our spirit, our presence, our energy....our SOUL..we own and it resides inside our body, as we make our way through life. 

My soul, was created by God, in a way I can't explain or understand so easily, but at times I can as it's so simple.  Call it a blessing or curse, but I will find the good in everything and everyone, the positive is there, it just may not be clear, time may not have passed long enough to see it, but it comes.  Maybe it's my perception, but it's who I am and what I am.

Sometimes we have decisions to make and hard ones, we ask God for guidance, what decision to make, and I hear so often "whatever decision I want to, because God will be here either way, and we will deal with it, and keep at it until we are done and on to the next.

So we have control and own those decisions, what good has come out of being sad, or unhappy, angry etc.  I look back in my past and can't say anything I thought was bad,  was as bad as it seemed at the time.

I have used your smile analogy often, because I have seen and know how just a smile can have an impact on the world, how the smallest gestures can make the biggest difference.

And I can honestly say, everyone who has posted above me, has had a significant impact on my life and making it better and greater, and I have passed the awesome impact onto many, in a time where darkness could have reigned in my life, and dread would followed.  Not so, and how honored am I to have been so blessed by you all.

That I promise, to carry on that awesomeness, to others.  And I can't explain how great of an impact you all have had on my life, you did, I can't thank you enough.  How great the future will be.  Let's keep doing what we do!

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What a lovely thing to say! Kurd definitely brings some interesting topics, and there is a fairly diverse range of viewpoints and cultures on this board. Not everyone notices it, as most users are likely American, British (or one of the other colonies I kid). Lots of people will get involved in these discussions.

Kurd is also very open about his culture, religious beliefs and things he's learning about. Great person to chat to. His English in the early days wasn't as clean as it is now. He's made incredible progress.

The smile analogy can be cliche, but I think it's so true. I can think of a dozen times when it's made me feel better, and then I've smiled at a stranger later in the day for one reason or another.

it is very kind of you to say that Boudica. I'm always thankful to this community for giving me a gateway to learn more about different cultures, religions and values of others not to forget my start here with a very bad grammer and gradually learning with you guys.

Again, without your support I can't really write these type of topics. I always know that some of you are here to read them otherwise I wouldn't have energy to write. You, Oni and Mothered .. many others actually. Thank you, you are the source of my motivations behind writing.

That's so lovely to hear. I think it does people the world of good to talk about cultures and religions that are not their own. We learn so much more than way.

[Xojdoj]

When you give someone a gift, you're accepting the possibility that they may squander it. We're not puppets, after all.

Very interesting take on it. I suppose a "gift" denotes passing ownership to the person you're gifting to. Arguing on the semantics of "gift", you could say we own our own bodies, and still be within the bounds of that religious view.

Without a religious lens, I would argue it could still be a good philosophical question. Ownership is often considered to mean "total control" of something, but I don't think that's quite right. You might own a dog, but won't be in total control of all of it's actions and behaviours. In that sense, I would say I own my own body, but don't have full control over everything that happens to it. For example, if someone makes me laugh, I don't necessarily choose to laugh as it's an involuntary response. You could also go down the route of women's rights and abortion laws. Or as Kurd pointed out, there's also medical aspects to consider.

I agree with this view, even tho i have "religious lens on", i think that you do have ownership on your body and you can damage it or do whatever to it on purpose. But the fact that you have the choice ..doesn t mean its a good choice. Like laws down here, you can comite a crime by choice, but it doesn t mean that because of this freedom of choice you want have to deal with the consequences.

[Boudica]

When you give someone a gift, you're accepting the possibility that they may squander it. We're not puppets, after all.

Very interesting take on it. I suppose a "gift" denotes passing ownership to the person you're gifting to. Arguing on the semantics of "gift", you could say we own our own bodies, and still be within the bounds of that religious view.

Without a religious lens, I would argue it could still be a good philosophical question. Ownership is often considered to mean "total control" of something, but I don't think that's quite right. You might own a dog, but won't be in total control of all of it's actions and behaviours. In that sense, I would say I own my own body, but don't have full control over everything that happens to it. For example, if someone makes me laugh, I don't necessarily choose to laugh as it's an involuntary response. You could also go down the route of women's rights and abortion laws. Or as Kurd pointed out, there's also medical aspects to consider.

I agree with this view, even tho i have "religious lens on", i think that you do have ownership on your body and you can damage it or do whatever to it on purpose. But the fact that you have the choice ..doesn t mean its a good choice. Like laws down here, you can comite a crime by choice, but it doesn t mean that because of this freedom of choice you want have to deal with the consequences.

That's an interesting thing to add: Ownership means you can make choices about your body, but that may not be without consequences.

[Mr.Kurd]

Why do you think Allah is real?

I replied to you then I thought It deserves to be a post of its own!
https://sinister.ly/Thread-Someone-asked...ah-is-real

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In The Name of Allah
Al- Salam Alekum

Long time no see guys. I have tried to post a few times on different topics but due to my tight schedule, I couldn't.

My question today to you is: Do you own your body?
According to the Islamic view, the body, like the soul, is a "gift" from God; therefore, a human being does not possess absolute ownership of his or her body. But, the ownership of human beings on their bodies can be described as a kind of "stewardship". Accordingly, any kind of dissection or mutilation of the corpse is forbidden, even with the informed consent of the dead or his/her relatives. The exception of this principle is when such procedures are necessary for saving the lives of other persons.

Okay, that was only my religious perspective on this topic. If we think logically and according to rules for every action there is an equal or opposite reaction. Aren't our actions on daily basis affect our lives and those around us significantly. Every individual is a part of a family. Family is a part of some social communities like a (town, city getting bigger to a country) based on size. From this point to affecting all around the World. So your action can affect the entire world.

Very small example, A smile or a positive action can bring happiness to everyone around you. One day on your way to work a guy stares at you and you give him a short smile. This action can be very contagious and spread from you to that guy and from him to others. This will go as a series.

Let us not get lost here. Only a smile had a significant effect on that level how does a big change to your body not affect others? Again, Do we have all rights to our bodies? Do you own your body?

I hope you get my point here...
Thanks

So yeah , It's your body do whatever you want with it , do yoga or pray 5 times a day in, think of God or meditate , be a good person or go to hell, you have a brain and you can think so... make your own decisions don't get brainwashed to believe in things , God rewards those who think and appreciate life...
Eghrae besma rabika makhalagh  to me means use your brain and study what's around you and exists!

Thanks for sharing your point brother. Well yours was a pure islamic view of the topic

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When you give someone a gift, you're accepting the possibility that they may squander it. We're not puppets, after all.

Fair enough, but we also hold responsiblity to that gift and then comes consequences. Especially if this gift was way precious and not only important to you but also to others.

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Very interesting take on it. I suppose a "gift" denotes passing ownership to the person you're gifting to. Arguing on the semantics of "gift", you could say we own our own bodies, and still be within the bounds of that religious view.

Without a religious lens, I would argue it could still be a good philosophical question. Ownership is often considered to mean "total control" of something, but I don't think that's quite right. You might own a dog, but won't be in total control of all of it's actions and behaviours. In that sense, I would say I own my own body, but don't have full control over everything that happens to it. For example, if someone makes me laugh, I don't necessarily choose to laugh as it's an involuntary response. You could also go down the route of women's rights and abortion laws. Or as Kurd pointed out, there's also medical aspects to consider.

Actually, Boudica about that abortion.. The fetus will have his own soul after 40 days of pregnancy. Parent have all right not to induce a pregnancy but after 40 days according to human rights and religions you are going to kill someone who has soul and his/her heart is beating.

Hi Kurd, I understand your perspective on a fetus' soul. I have somewhat different beliefs around abortion, but I mostly mentioned abortion in relation to the ongoing arguments in the US about women's rights to have an abortion, and it's impact on the ownership of the woman's body. The idea is that because the woman cannot control whether or not she falls pregnant (there are many reasons unwanted/unintended pregnancies occur) they are being forced to undergo a rather traumatic experience with their bodies, with no say of their own. They will not be supported in this venture. None of the people enacting these laws will be paying for their medical bills, or child support. So one could argue the women's ownership of her body is diminished. This is the context that I was referring to.

You could also argue an intentionally pregnant woman has no control either, as you could say her body is owned by both her and the unborn child?

The point about the fetus is also a very good one to raise! It has even less ownership of it's body, especially during pregnancy of course.

That is very sad to hear.. I don't know could be the impact of a wild and unplanned sexual intercourse between both side without getting married. Marraige is a legal process and even from religion side the healthy way of a relationship. Under this legal document you can always have your rights covered and supports from both families.

In our cultural when a woman is pregnant not only her husband supports her .. All the family and relatives do. Because this process goes smoothly under a legal document and an Islamic marriage contract that save both sides right. Even tho force the father to support the family.

Still, the problem is not with the fetus really. That fetus is a soul now and if abortion happens the mother will be likely a killer of her own unborn child. To fix this, the only one is looking for a real, clean and healthy relationship under a marriage contract legally and followed by the instructions religiously.

[peakyfblinder]

My question today to you is: Do you own your body?
According to the Islamic view, the body, like the soul, is a "gift" from God; therefore, a human being does not possess absolute ownership of his or her body. But, the ownership of human beings on their bodies can be described as a kind of "stewardship". Accordingly, any kind of dissection or mutilation of the corpse is forbidden, even with the informed consent of the dead or his/her relatives. The exception of this principle is when such procedures are necessary for saving the lives of other persons.

It was interpreted as forbidden by modern scholars as a thing such as consent to preserve organisms was not a practice at the time of revelation and therefore the specific subject was not mentioned. However it is forbidden to harm the body reasoning you are not it's owner, it belongs to the all mighty. It was said in such a way obviously to keep people away from harming themselves, further they say that on the day of resurrection you will rise and therefore you need your body, reasoning that it's forbidden to dissect parts of a corpse- this too I believe is a misinterpretation of the according verses in the Quran as we turn to dust anyways. Culturally many Muslims mourn their dead for 40 days, however according to Islam it should be only 3 days - this shows that not a lot of importance is given to the dead body. Logically if we are to believe that there is an afterlife, it would be out souls passing over and not our bodies. We have to consider that the people of that time were simple and ordinary folk, mainly uneducated. So to instill the fear of god into them so that they do good and stay away from harming themselves by telling them it's not their body to begin with and therefore they should never harm themselves through substances or physical injuries is just a means towards the greater good.

It is known that Prophet Muhammad pbuh was an exceptionally intelligent human being, if you study him you'll realize he was a master in human psychology as well. A lot of his day to day activities have been "recorded", so it must be understood that if he said or did something on one occasion it was said or done according to those circumstances. You can't take those occurrences and make them universal as he had been dealing with individuals according to their own level of understanding. So how he would make one thing clear to one person over the other would differ.

[Boudica]

Why do you think Allah is real?

I replied to you then I thought It deserves to be a post of its own!
https://sinister.ly/Thread-Someone-asked...ah-is-real

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In The Name of Allah
Al- Salam Alekum

Long time no see guys. I have tried to post a few times on different topics but due to my tight schedule, I couldn't.

My question today to you is: Do you own your body?
According to the Islamic view, the body, like the soul, is a "gift" from God; therefore, a human being does not possess absolute ownership of his or her body. But, the ownership of human beings on their bodies can be described as a kind of "stewardship". Accordingly, any kind of dissection or mutilation of the corpse is forbidden, even with the informed consent of the dead or his/her relatives. The exception of this principle is when such procedures are necessary for saving the lives of other persons.

Okay, that was only my religious perspective on this topic. If we think logically and according to rules for every action there is an equal or opposite reaction. Aren't our actions on daily basis affect our lives and those around us significantly. Every individual is a part of a family. Family is a part of some social communities like a (town, city getting bigger to a country) based on size. From this point to affecting all around the World. So your action can affect the entire world.

Very small example, A smile or a positive action can bring happiness to everyone around you. One day on your way to work a guy stares at you and you give him a short smile. This action can be very contagious and spread from you to that guy and from him to others. This will go as a series.

Let us not get lost here. Only a smile had a significant effect on that level how does a big change to your body not affect others? Again, Do we have all rights to our bodies? Do you own your body?

I hope you get my point here...
Thanks

So yeah , It's your body do whatever you want with it , do yoga or pray 5 times a day in, think of God or meditate , be a good person or go to hell, you have a brain and you can think so... make your own decisions don't get brainwashed to believe in things , God rewards those who think and appreciate life...
Eghrae besma rabika makhalagh  to me means use your brain and study what's around you and exists!

Thanks for sharing your point brother. Well yours was a pure islamic view of the topic

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Fair enough, but we also hold responsiblity to that gift and then comes consequences. Especially if this gift was way precious and not only important to you but also to others.

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Actually, Boudica about that abortion.. The fetus will have his own soul after 40 days of pregnancy. Parent have all right not to induce a pregnancy but after 40 days according to human rights and religions you are going to kill someone who has soul and his/her heart is beating.

Hi Kurd, I understand your perspective on a fetus' soul. I have somewhat different beliefs around abortion, but I mostly mentioned abortion in relation to the ongoing arguments in the US about women's rights to have an abortion, and it's impact on the ownership of the woman's body. The idea is that because the woman cannot control whether or not she falls pregnant (there are many reasons unwanted/unintended pregnancies occur) they are being forced to undergo a rather traumatic experience with their bodies, with no say of their own. They will not be supported in this venture. None of the people enacting these laws will be paying for their medical bills, or child support. So one could argue the women's ownership of her body is diminished. This is the context that I was referring to.

You could also argue an intentionally pregnant woman has no control either, as you could say her body is owned by both her and the unborn child?

The point about the fetus is also a very good one to raise! It has even less ownership of it's body, especially during pregnancy of course.

That is very sad to hear.. I don't know could be the impact of a wild and unplanned sexual intercourse between both side without getting married. Marraige is a legal process and even from religion side the healthy way of a relationship. Under this legal document you can always have your rights covered and supports from both families.

In our cultural when a woman is pregnant not only her husband supports her .. All the family and relatives do. Because this process goes smoothly under a legal document and an Islamic marriage contract that save both sides right. Even tho force the father to support the family.

Still, the problem is not with the fetus really. That fetus is a soul now and if abortion happens the mother will be likely a killer of her own unborn child. To fix this, the only one is looking for a real, clean and healthy relationship under a marriage contract legally and followed by the instructions religiously.

This is pretty rare, but what would happen is someone raped a woman. As in, she's not married, so has no legal protections that marriage offers, who helps her then? 7

It's a lovely idea that the whole family helps. In my own culture, that is pretty normal. Although, it's also pretty normal for people to have only one parent as well. They may not get family support, which could be due to family finances or because of poor family relations.

[dork.master.king]

Why do you think Allah is real?

I replied to you then I thought It deserves to be a post of its own!
https://sinister.ly/Thread-Someone-asked...ah-is-real

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In The Name of Allah
Al- Salam Alekum

Long time no see guys. I have tried to post a few times on different topics but due to my tight schedule, I couldn't.

My question today to you is: Do you own your body?
According to the Islamic view, the body, like the soul, is a "gift" from God; therefore, a human being does not possess absolute ownership of his or her body. But, the ownership of human beings on their bodies can be described as a kind of "stewardship". Accordingly, any kind of dissection or mutilation of the corpse is forbidden, even with the informed consent of the dead or his/her relatives. The exception of this principle is when such procedures are necessary for saving the lives of other persons.

Okay, that was only my religious perspective on this topic. If we think logically and according to rules for every action there is an equal or opposite reaction. Aren't our actions on daily basis affect our lives and those around us significantly. Every individual is a part of a family. Family is a part of some social communities like a (town, city getting bigger to a country) based on size. From this point to affecting all around the World. So your action can affect the entire world.

Very small example, A smile or a positive action can bring happiness to everyone around you. One day on your way to work a guy stares at you and you give him a short smile. This action can be very contagious and spread from you to that guy and from him to others. This will go as a series.

Let us not get lost here. Only a smile had a significant effect on that level how does a big change to your body not affect others? Again, Do we have all rights to our bodies? Do you own your body?

I hope you get my point here...
Thanks

So yeah , It's your body do whatever you want with it , do yoga or pray 5 times a day in, think of God or meditate , be a good person or go to hell, you have a brain and you can think so... make your own decisions don't get brainwashed to believe in things , God rewards those who think and appreciate life...
Eghrae besma rabika makhalagh  to me means use your brain and study what's around you and exists!

Thanks for sharing your point brother. Well yours was a pure islamic view of the topic

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Fair enough, but we also hold responsiblity to that gift and then comes consequences. Especially if this gift was way precious and not only important to you but also to others.

---

Actually, Boudica about that abortion.. The fetus will have his own soul after 40 days of pregnancy. Parent have all right not to induce a pregnancy but after 40 days according to human rights and religions you are going to kill someone who has soul and his/her heart is beating.

Hi Kurd, I understand your perspective on a fetus' soul. I have somewhat different beliefs around abortion, but I mostly mentioned abortion in relation to the ongoing arguments in the US about women's rights to have an abortion, and it's impact on the ownership of the woman's body. The idea is that because the woman cannot control whether or not she falls pregnant (there are many reasons unwanted/unintended pregnancies occur) they are being forced to undergo a rather traumatic experience with their bodies, with no say of their own. They will not be supported in this venture. None of the people enacting these laws will be paying for their medical bills, or child support. So one could argue the women's ownership of her body is diminished. This is the context that I was referring to.

You could also argue an intentionally pregnant woman has no control either, as you could say her body is owned by both her and the unborn child?

The point about the fetus is also a very good one to raise! It has even less ownership of it's body, especially during pregnancy of course.

That is very sad to hear.. I don't know could be the impact of a wild and unplanned sexual intercourse between both side without getting married. Marraige is a legal process and even from religion side the healthy way of a relationship. Under this legal document you can always have your rights covered and supports from both families.

In our cultural when a woman is pregnant not only her husband supports her .. All the family and relatives do. Because this process goes smoothly under a legal document and an  Islamic marriage contract that save both sides right. Even tho force the father to support the family.

Still, the problem is not with the fetus really. That fetus is a soul now and if abortion happens the mother will be likely a killer of her own unborn child. To fix this, the only one is looking for a real, clean and healthy relationship under a marriage contract legally and followed by the instructions religiously.

I used an Islamic reference but I'm not...

[veritas]

I'd like to think that I do

[Boudica]

I replied to you then I thought It deserves to be a post of its own!
https://sinister.ly/Thread-Someone-asked...ah-is-real

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So yeah , It's your body do whatever you want with it , do yoga or pray 5 times a day in, think of God or meditate , be a good person or go to hell, you have a brain and you can think so... make your own decisions don't get brainwashed to believe in things , God rewards those who think and appreciate life...
Eghrae besma rabika makhalagh  to me means use your brain and study what's around you and exists!

Thanks for sharing your point brother. Well yours was a pure islamic view of the topic

---

Hi Kurd, I understand your perspective on a fetus' soul. I have somewhat different beliefs around abortion, but I mostly mentioned abortion in relation to the ongoing arguments in the US about women's rights to have an abortion, and it's impact on the ownership of the woman's body. The idea is that because the woman cannot control whether or not she falls pregnant (there are many reasons unwanted/unintended pregnancies occur) they are being forced to undergo a rather traumatic experience with their bodies, with no say of their own. They will not be supported in this venture. None of the people enacting these laws will be paying for their medical bills, or child support. So one could argue the women's ownership of her body is diminished. This is the context that I was referring to.

You could also argue an intentionally pregnant woman has no control either, as you could say her body is owned by both her and the unborn child?

The point about the fetus is also a very good one to raise! It has even less ownership of it's body, especially during pregnancy of course.

That is very sad to hear.. I don't know could be the impact of a wild and unplanned sexual intercourse between both side without getting married. Marraige is a legal process and even from religion side the healthy way of a relationship. Under this legal document you can always have your rights covered and supports from both families.

In our cultural when a woman is pregnant not only her husband supports her .. All the family and relatives do. Because this process goes smoothly under a legal document and an  Islamic marriage contract that save both sides right. Even tho force the father to support the family.

Still, the problem is not with the fetus really. That fetus is a soul now and if abortion happens the mother will be likely a killer of her own unborn child. To fix this, the only one is looking for a real, clean and healthy relationship under a marriage contract legally and followed by the instructions religiously.

I used an Islamic reference but I'm not...

Lol - The reference did make it sound like you might be so fair mistake.