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Murder is not morally wrong #1
Murder is justified because you would have a motive to murder someone. So, what's wrong with murder?

Morality is completely dependent on personal opinion, murder being morally wrong is only wrong when someone uses their opinion to deem it wrong.

How are you more right than someone who claims that murder is morally right?


RE: Murder is not morally wrong #2
(10-21-2016, 01:27 PM)Ayumi Wrote: Murder is justified because you would have a motive to murder someone. So, what's wrong with murder?

So what you're saying Is, If you have a motive (Irrespective of It's nature), It's fine to murder someone?

In other words, If I had some sort of fanciful, sick and Insane motive to kill a little child, that's fine? My viewpoint Is clear. It's not my Intention to start any form of argument, I'm just merely providing my opinion.
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RE: Murder is not morally wrong #3
(10-21-2016, 02:20 PM)mothered Wrote: So what you're saying Is, If you have a motive (Irrespective of It's nature), It's fine to murder someone?

Exactly. It's human nature. I believe murdering someone regardless of the reason is justifiable.

Quote:In other words, If I had some sort of fanciful, sick and Insane motive to kill a little child, that's fine?

If you wanted to do so, of course. You have every right to do it. But remember that anyone you approach with that intent has the right to do the same back to you.


RE: Murder is not morally wrong #4
This is all a little too vague.  The term "murder" itself implies an innately unjustifiable killing, while the term "justifiable homicide" fits your concept better.  
Before the media appropriated the term "honor killing" to describe the unjustifiable slaying of women in Islamic nations that would have worked well, but now perhaps we have to use "vig" (see below).

murder (n.) Look up murder at Dictionary.com
c. 1300, murdre, from Old English morðor (plural morþras) "secret killing of a person, unlawful killing," also "mortal sin, crime; punishment, torment, misery," from Proto-Germanic *murthra- (source also of Goth maurþr, and, from a variant form of the same root, Old Saxon morth, Old Frisian morth, Old Norse morð, Middle Dutch moort, Dutch moord, German Mord "murder"), from PIE *mrtro-, from root *mer- "to die" (see mortal (adj.)). The spelling with -d- probably reflects influence of Anglo-French murdre, from Old French mordre, from Medieval Latin murdrum, from the Germanic root.
   Viking custom, typical of Germanic, distinguished morð (Old Norse) "secret slaughter," from vig (Old Norse) "slaying." The former involved concealment, or slaying a man by night or when asleep, and was a heinous crime. The latter was not a disgrace, if the killer acknowledged his deed, but he was subject to vengeance or demand for compensation.
  Mordre wol out that se we day by day. [Chaucer, "Nun's Priest's Tale," c. 1386]


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RE: Murder is not morally wrong #5
(10-21-2016, 06:26 PM)CRNpolyfluoric Wrote: This is all a little too vague.  The term "murder" itself implies an innately unjustifiable killing, while the term "justifiable homicide" fits your concept better.  
Before the media appropriated the term "honor killing" to describe the unjustifiable slaying of women in Islamic nations that would have worked well, but now perhaps we have to use "vig" (see below).

murder (n.) Look up murder at Dictionary.com
c. 1300, murdre, from Old English morðor (plural morþras) "secret killing of a person, unlawful killing," also "mortal sin, crime; punishment, torment, misery," from Proto-Germanic *murthra- (source also of Goth maurþr, and, from a variant form of the same root, Old Saxon morth, Old Frisian morth, Old Norse morð, Middle Dutch moort, Dutch moord, German Mord "murder"), from PIE *mrtro-, from root *mer- "to die" (see mortal (adj.)). The spelling with -d- probably reflects influence of Anglo-French murdre, from Old French mordre, from Medieval Latin murdrum, from the Germanic root.
   Viking custom, typical of Germanic, distinguished morð (Old Norse) "secret slaughter," from vig (Old Norse) "slaying." The former involved concealment, or slaying a man by night or when asleep, and was a heinous crime. The latter was not a disgrace, if the killer acknowledged his deed, but he was subject to vengeance or demand for compensation.
  Mordre wol out that se we day by day. [Chaucer, "Nun's Priest's Tale," c. 1386]


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Let's just call it homicide.


RE: Murder is not morally wrong #6
You are being absolutely relativistic throughout your entire post.

Quote:Morality is completely dependent on personal opinion
No, no it most definitely is not. Morality is absolutely and definitively objective.


Quote:murder being morally wrong is only wrong when someone uses their opinion to deem it wrong.
Oh but wait...uhm... isn't your opinion then an opinion of someone elses opinion? so wait, who's right here? Where's the truth? Some classic circular logic.

The answer to your question boils down to this:
What is truth?
Are you saying truth varies depending on the person you ask? One may say murder is wrong, while another may say it is right. The truth is different person to person. But, that doesn't make sense, because then there can be no truth. So, are you saying truth does not exist?
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RE: Murder is not morally wrong #7
(10-22-2016, 12:12 AM)insidious15 Wrote: No, no it most definitely is not. Morality is absolutely and definitively objective.

Do use your brain, will you. Morality is a man-made concept that is defined by the society we live in. It is subjective.

Quote:Oh but wait...uhm... isn't your opinion then an opinion of someone elses opinion? so wait, who's right here? Where's the truth?

I believe homicide should be legalized because it's the right thing. This is my opinion.

Quote:Some classic circular logic.

That is my line about your delusional mindset.

Quote:The answer to your question boils down to this:
What is truth?
Are you saying truth varies depending on the person you ask? One may say murder is wrong, while another may say it is right. The truth is different person to person. But, that doesn't make sense, because then there can be no truth. So, are you saying truth does not exist?

Could you inform yourself about morality then come back again?


RE: Murder is not morally wrong #8
(10-22-2016, 01:55 AM)Ayumi Wrote:
(10-22-2016, 12:12 AM)insidious15 Wrote: No, no it most definitely is not. Morality is absolutely and definitively objective.

Do use your brain, will you. Morality is a man-made concept that is defined by the society we live in. It is subjective.

Quote:Oh but wait...uhm... isn't your opinion then an opinion of someone elses opinion? so wait, who's right here? Where's the truth?

I believe homicide should be legalized because it's the right thing. This is my opinion.

Quote:Some classic circular logic.

That is my line about your delusional mindset.

Quote:The answer to your question boils down to this:
What is truth?
Are you saying truth varies depending on the person you ask? One may say murder is wrong, while another may say it is right. The truth is different person to person. But, that doesn't make sense, because then there can be no truth. So, are you saying truth does not exist?

Could you inform yourself about morality then come back again?

You are saying murder is OK. If I walked up to you and cut you into a million pieces for absolutely no reason, is that OK?

I agree with @"CRNpolyfluoric" You are too vague, even if you quantify it with 'homicide'.
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RE: Murder is not morally wrong #9
(10-22-2016, 02:04 AM)insidious15 Wrote: You are saying murder is OK. If I walked up to you and cut you into a million pieces for absolutely no reason, is that OK?

If you are capable of that, sure. Don't say no reason because there's always at least one.


RE: Murder is not morally wrong #10
(10-22-2016, 02:09 AM)Ayumi Wrote: Don't say no reason because there's always at least one.

I must say I do agree with this.

I'm not saying It's fine to kill someone, but I've always been a firm believer that there's a motive behind every murder. You read about all these killings In schools, whereby some student walked In and went on a shooting rampage. Who knows, he could've been bullied, or a teacher didn't mark his grades correctly, the school canteen may have been rude and short-changed him and the list goes on.

Whatever the reason may be, there Is one. No one gets up In the morning, feels bored and simply takes lives.
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