[Despised]

Because we should totally take an internet strangers word when he states murder is not morally wrong.

It's an opinion. You just don't want to accept it, hence trying to come up with total bs like morality is objective.

There may not be any convincing the person who believes homicide is not morally wrong, though that's not saying society won't alienate such an individual.

You're absolutely right. But it isn't very hard for me to put on an act to fit into society, either. Though it can be frustrating sometimes.

No justifiable reason.

It is justifiable to me.

Homicide doesn't make you're post any less vague, it just gives more angles to argue, and makes this thread more complex. It's an even more general term than 'murder'. I mean, what do you expect SL to do, write an ethics book? lol

Does that even matter? Apparently no one besides me wants to accept the fact that morality is based on opinions anyways and thinks murder absolutely is a "bad" thing.

I'm of the opinion that any kind of killing of another human being is wrong. This means that even if an individual is on death row for some egregious crimes, I would be against their government-sanctioned murder. I believe they should be isolated from society, and at least some kind of attempt at rehabilitation taken.

I'm all for it. If I was locked up for lifetime in prison, I'd either try to kill cops and commit suicide by cop, or try to hang myself eventually and probably fail making my death extremely painful through suffocation.

Seriously - you're alienating yourself by saying ALL homicide is OK, or all murder is OK, or whatever. It's better not to generalize.

I don't really care.

I mean, with you're current logic, one could argue you find nothing morally wrong with Hitlers mass-homicide of millions of people.

That's a story for a different time.

At this point you're basically defining your own definition of "homicide", since both those things (if assisted) can fall under the 'homicide' category, depending on who you ask.
If it "depends" maybe make your post more clear/list so that everyone knows exactly what kind of homicides you are talking about. Otherwise the question is essentially impossible to answer.

We're talking about murder like the title states. Specifically first degree murder.

non-voluntary and involuntary are the same thing, no need to be redundant

It's not. And especially very important in the case of euthanasia.

OP best be trolling. That or, 12 years old and forgot to take some sort of medication today.

Adults are talking here. If you're not going to contribute in a useful way, you can fuck off back to your lonesome life, kid.

[meow]

Murder is justified because you would have a motive to murder someone. So, what's wrong with murder?

Justification is completely subjective to whomever commits the murder. In terms of legality, it's what the law considers justification, not you. However, I see where you're coming from. Even though a murder may seem okay to you because you had a reason for it, it's generally how other people view it that matters which is what makes it illegal. If this weren't true, then anyone could murder anyone and claim that it's justified and get away with it.

Morality is completely dependent on personal opinion, murder being morally wrong is only wrong when someone uses their opinion to deem it wrong.

Correct.

How are you more right than someone who claims that murder is morally right?

The legislature is who deems something right or wrong. If you don't like living under the law then move away.

You should read the book "The Mysterious Stranger" by Mark Twain. I really think you'd like it, I did for sure.

[Despised]

Justification is completely subjective to whomever commits the murder. In terms of legality, it's what the law considers justification, not you. However, I see where you're coming from. Even though a murder may seem okay to you because you had a reason for it, it's generally how other people view it that matters which is what makes it illegal. If this weren't true, then anyone could murder anyone and claim that it's justified and get away with it.

Why would anyone murder if he/she had absolutely no reason for it in the first place? The act of avenge is always there in any case.

The legislature is who deems something right or wrong. If you don't like living under the law then move away.

Hence I added 'morally' to the title. Society doesn't have a place for my true agenda. Nor do they anywhere else.

You should read the book "The Mysterious Stranger" by Mark Twain. I really think you'd like it, I did for sure.

I'll keep that in mind. Whether I'll like it or not is a different story.

[meow]

Why would anyone murder if he/she had absolutely no reason for it in the first place?

I never said or implied that someone would do that. Don't know what caused you to ask that question.

Hence I added 'morally' to the title. Society doesn't have a place for my true agenda. Nor do they anywhere else.

I was speaking in terms of legislature and law, "hence" why I ended my statement with "If you don't like living under the law then move away."

If you're saying you'd murder someone because you don't view it as morally wrong, then you don't know yourself very well. In this case, assuming that you don't view murder as morally right, you'd be murdering someone because you view it as morally wrong. Twain addresses this issue in The Mysterious Stranger.

I'll keep that in mind. Whether I'll like it or not is a different story.

Could you drop the "badass and edgy" poser act? You're making an embarrassment out of yourself, and everyone here knows it, but only me and @pvnk are willing to confront you about it. You don't look cool to anyone but yourself, I hope you know that.

[Despised]

I never said or implied that someone would do that. Don't know what caused you to ask that question.

Even though a murder may seem okay to you because you had a reason for it, it's generally how other people view it that matters which is what makes it illegal. If this weren't true, then anyone could murder anyone and claim that it's justified and get away with it.

If you're saying you'd murder someone because you don't view it as morally wrong, then you don't know yourself very well. In this case, assuming that you don't view murder as morally right, you'd be murdering someone because you view it as morally wrong. Twain addresses this issue in The Mysterious Stranger.

Sounds like you don't know me very well. I've been struggling with my homicidal urges for a long time now, the only thing that holds me back is the risk of prison. Nothing else. Does it surprise you that someone like me views murder as right?

Could you drop the "badass and edgy" poser act? You're making an embarrassment out of yourself, and everyone here knows it, but only me and @pvnk are willing to confront you about it. You don't look cool to anyone but yourself, I hope you know that.

Unfortunately I suffer from this uncurable disease known as I-don't-give-a-shit. So, no can do.

[meow]

I never said or implied that someone would do that. Don't know what caused you to ask that question.

Even though a murder may seem okay to you because you had a reason for it, it's generally how other people view it that matters which is what makes it illegal. If this weren't true, then anyone could murder anyone and claim that it's justified and get away with it.

If you're saying you'd murder someone because you don't view it as morally wrong, then you don't know yourself very well. In this case, assuming that you don't view murder as morally right, you'd be murdering someone because you view it as morally wrong. Twain addresses this issue in The Mysterious Stranger.

Sounds like you don't know me very well. I've been struggling with my homicidal urges for a long time now, the only thing that holds me back is the risk of prison. Nothing else. Does it surprise you that someone like me views murder as right?

Could you drop the "badass and edgy" poser act? You're making an embarrassment out of yourself, and everyone here knows it, but only me and @pvnk are willing to confront you about it. You don't look cool to anyone but yourself, I hope you know that.

Unfortunately I suffer from this uncurable disease known as I-don't-give-a-shit. So, no can do.

Be careful with that edge. You should consider suicide.

[pvnk]

OP has not taken a philosophy class, but OP wants to pretend he's a profound deep thinker of an issue because he's just such a revolutionary intellectual. I don't even know how to reply to his amazingly constructed arguments so I won't. I don't want to lose anymore brain cells than I already have after reading the majority of his posts on all of his threads, inclusive of this one.

It appears that OP is a massive ______.

I'll let your imagination take its course.

Nothing is worth even replying to on this thread. OP's "arguments" are lacking in every aspect of what an argument should have so what the fuck would I be replying to?

no thx

[fiddlesticks]

This thread us so retarded lol. 2edgy4me

[insidious]

No one is more right than anyone else and I don't believe anyone can easily counter this topic in any objective sense. But, many laws based on morality exist because a majority has agreed with them. When an overwhelming number of people agree with an act, or forbid one, one's own opinion of it becomes moot in a pragmatic sense (i.e., punishment will be enforced regardless).

At a more basic level, punishing murder provides a minimum comfort of security to all people and allows and encourages a safer environment for social interactions and for trust to grow; it helps to stabilize a society. Now I'm going to insert my own viewpoint into the matter and I think Confucius said it best, "Don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you".

OP has not taken a philosophy class, but OP wants to pretend he's a profound deep thinker of an issue because he's just such a revolutionary intellectual. I don't even know how to reply to his amazingly constructed arguments so I won't. I don't want to lose anymore brain cells than I already have after reading the majority of his posts on all of his threads, inclusive of this one.

It appears that OP is a massive ______.

I'll let your imagination take its course.

Nothing is worth even replying to on this thread. OP's "arguments" are lacking in every aspect of what an argument should have so what the fuck would I be replying to?

no thx

I, too, would recommend a progression of Philosophy 101 into Ethics

maybe read some Kant on the way

[Bish0pQ]

I don't agree with many laws, but murder just isn't justifiable to me. It might be logic when your child gets killed or something, that you want to kill the person that killed your child, I would understand that, that still doesn't mean it's morally correct.