[yokai]

But that still doesn't justify the fact that although sometimes you have to be tough with criticism so people will improve, it doesn't excuse the fact that being a dick all the time not only to people's work, but to their ideas as well is not ok.

If honest equals being a dick, then those that believe that must have a really hard time in life. When you post something in a "showcase" section, you do so to showcase your work. There are two reasons to do this, to brag or to improve. If you get mad when someone tries to help you improve in the most efficient way then you either get very salty or you only wanted people to brag about your work. If that was the case, then you should inform that you don't want constructive feedback, and if you don't do that then deal with the fact that someone took time of their day to try and help you.

Its just as "dickish" or more to result with anger when someone tries to help you.

[Jebusfathead]

But that still doesn't justify the fact that although sometimes you have to be tough with criticism so people will improve, it doesn't excuse the fact that being a dick all the time not only to people's work, but to their ideas as well is not ok.

If honest equals being a dick, then those that believe that must have a really hard time in life. When you post something in a "showcase" section, you do so to showcase your work. There are two reasons to do this, to brag or to improve. If you get mad when someone tries to help you improve in the most efficient way then you either get very salty or you only wanted people to brag about your work. If that was the case, then you should inform that you don't want constructive feedback, and if you don't do that then deal with the fact that someone took time of their day to try and help you.

Its just as "dickish" or more to result with anger when someone tries to help you.

HONESTY IS NOT ALWAYS THE BEST POLICY

[yokai]

HONESTY IS NOT ALWAYS THE BEST POLICY

No, but it is the most efficient way to improve and help someone.

[Jebusfathead]

HONESTY IS NOT ALWAYS THE BEST POLICY

No, but it is the most efficient way to improve and help someone.

That's still not 100% true, people who might do graphics for fun would most likely be really put off by some harsh critics who are putting their subjective thoughts into 'objective' criticism.

[Redsin]

Not when there is no spirit, ability or time required to create it. Same as its not justified to charge for picking up something someone else dropped. Say someone on the street drops their wallet, and you pick it up for them, does that justify you in charging for it? No, not really. If it has taken time, then sure charge. If it has taken a great deal of ability, then sure. If it has taken spirit that is unique to you, then sure. But if it hasn't taken either, then no.

That's a horrible comparison. An awards pack is a man working on something to provide for somebody upon requested, which the customer knows that he's going to pay for something. (Not in this matter, referring to any other matter - related to charging on "small things".) And picking up a wallet is something completely else.

You need to give better examples next time, because that's so a different scenario.

[yokai]

That's still not 100% true, people who might do graphics for fun would most likely be really put off by some harsh critics who are putting their subjective thoughts into 'objective' criticism.

Then as I said, then will need to note in their original post in their showcase thread that they do not want constructive feedback. As there is no other way to know, unless you are a mind reader. If they do not want to be criticized, then they shouldn't, but if they don't inform someone that they don't want to be criticized then they cannot be bad for being criticized.

That's a horrible comparison. An awards pack is a man working on something to provide for somebody upon requested, which the customer knows that he's going to pay for something. (Not in this matter, referring to any other matter - related to charging on "small things".) And picking up a wallet is something completely else.

You need to give better examples next time, because that's so a different scenario.

So if I make a black circle in Photoshop, does that justify charging 500$ for it of a random buyer? No. (And I can guarantee you that the majority would see it the same way, as no one would buy it.) Its the same with the example I used. If a person agrees to pay before the service has been met, such as in the case of a shop then they have agreed on that. (That being said, the seller can still say they want payment first and still give it for free afterwards.) However, if someone makes something randomly that took them 10 seconds to make, with no effort put into it, then charging for it is not justified. Lets take another example. (As I am not the only who thinks like this these days.)

Bethesda released a "Horse armor" pack back in the days for Oblivion, people became furious when they realized that they had bought something that should've been free. The content, the work wasn't worth money. It simply had no effort to it. A little while ago when "The Witcher III" released the studio behind it said they'd release a bunch of DLC. People assumed they had to sell their house to have enough cash for it, the studio then informed that all the DLC expect two were going to be free.

Their reason? Simple. They stated that something that only take a tiny bit of time, with no real effort in it shouldn't be charged for. It isn't justified. But the two remaining DLCs that were large, waste and took months to make, they said it was justified to charge for those as it took effort and time to create unlike the others. The trend of "charging for every little thing" when overboard a few years ago, and have gotten worse with the years. Back when I started with graphical art and design, people were making forum tags for free as it only took a couple of minutes.

Now I see the same types of tags being sold for 20-50 US dollars. Requiring the same amount of work, the same amount of effort as the older ones. Which was next to none. Another prime example as I used earlier would be DLCs for games. Not all are worthy of a price, which is why studios release them for free. They cannot justify a price for it.

[Theós]

That's still not 100% true, people who might do graphics for fun would most likely be really put off by some harsh critics who are putting their subjective thoughts into 'objective' criticism.

Then as I said, then will need to note in their original post in their showcase thread that they do not want constructive feedback. As there is no other way to know, unless you are a mind reader. If they do not want to be criticized, then they shouldn't, but if they don't inform someone that they don't want to be criticized then they cannot be bad for being criticized.

That's a horrible comparison. An awards pack is a man working on something to provide for somebody upon requested, which the customer knows that he's going to pay for something. (Not in this matter, referring to any other matter - related to charging on "small things".) And picking up a wallet is something completely else.

You need to give better examples next time, because that's so a different scenario.

So if I make a black circle in Photoshop, does that justify charging 500$ for it of a random buyer? No. (And I can guarantee you that the majority would see it the same way, as no one would buy it.) Its the same with the example I used. If a person agrees to pay before the service has been met, such as in the case of a shop then they have agreed on that. (That being said, the seller can still say they want payment first and still give it for free afterwards.) However, if someone makes something randomly that took them 10 seconds to make, with no effort put into it, then charging for it is not justified. Lets take another example. (As I am not the only who thinks like this these days.)

Bethesda released a "Horse armor" pack back in the days for Oblivion, people became furious when they realized that they had bought something that should've been free. The content, the work wasn't worth money. It simply had no effort to it. A little while ago when "The Witcher III" released the studio behind it said they'd release a bunch of DLC. People assumed they had to sell their house to have enough cash for it, the studio then informed that all the DLC expect two were going to be free.

Their reason? Simple. They stated that something that only take a tiny bit of time, with no real effort in it shouldn't be charged for. It isn't justified. But the two remaining DLCs that were large, waste and took months to make, they said it was justified to charge for those as it took effort and time to create unlike the others. The trend of "charging for every little thing" when overboard a few years ago, and have gotten worse with the years. Back when I started with graphical art and design, people were making forum tags for free as it only took a couple of minutes.

Now I see the same types of tags being sold for 20-50 US dollars. Requiring the same amount of work, the same amount of effort as the older ones. Which was next to none. Another prime example as I used earlier would be DLCs for games. Not all are worthy of a price, which is why studios release them for free. They cannot justify a price for it.

LOL!!! OMG INTON! You're taking this too far. All this started with the awards I made. I was going to to make awards for the site. Nathy insisted that he was going to pay me. At first I was like, okay, I guess. I felt guilty because honestly, I didn't want to get paid for it. So I told him I'd do it for free. He kept insisting that he was going to pay me because of all I've done for FR and SBB. Keep in mind I wasn't paid for ANYTHING I've done for FR ans SBB. I said if he were to pay me just make my group cheaper, $10 was what he was going to pay me for whatever awards he needed, so my group would cost 10 dollars less. But I thought to myself, I've done all this for the community I love, and I love what I'm doing, so I paid full price for the group anyways, because I didn't want to get paid for something I love doing.

[Redsin]

So if I make a black circle in Photoshop, does that justify charging 500$ for it of a random buyer? No. (And I can guarantee you that the majority would see it the same way, as no one would buy it.) Its the same with the example I used. If a person agrees to pay before the service has been met, such as in the case of a shop then they have agreed on that. (That being said, the seller can still say they want payment first and still give it for free afterwards.) However, if someone makes something randomly that took them 10 seconds to make, with no effort put into it, then charging for it is not justified. Lets take another example. (As I am not the only who thinks like this these days.)

Bethesda released a "Horse armor" pack back in the days for Oblivion, people became furious when they realized that they had bought something that should've been free. The content, the work wasn't worth money. It simply had no effort to it. A little while ago when "The Witcher III" released the studio behind it said they'd release a bunch of DLC. People assumed they had to sell their house to have enough cash for it, the studio then informed that all the DLC expect two were going to be free.

Their reason? Simple. They stated that something that only take a tiny bit of time, with no real effort in it shouldn't be charged for. It isn't justified. But the two remaining DLCs that were large, waste and took months to make, they said it was justified to charge for those as it took effort and time to create unlike the others. The trend of "charging for every little thing" when overboard a few years ago, and have gotten worse with the years. Back when I started with graphical art and design, people were making forum tags for free as it only took a couple of minutes.

Now I see the same types of tags being sold for 20-50 US dollars. Requiring the same amount of work, the same amount of effort as the older ones. Which was next to none. Another prime example as I used earlier would be DLCs for games. Not all are worthy of a price, which is why studios release them for free. They cannot justify a price for it.

I am talking about an agreement before the deal, not charging for something the "receiver" didn't know would cost. Once again, we're not talking about a stupid dumb circle and such amount. If you are still referring to this awards made by @10, then like he stated himself: He did not want a payment, but he was offered. Even if he did want to charge, there's nothing wrong with it. (Unless he says it'll cost something after delivering the work etc.)

My point is - small things can cost, and prices is up to the buyer, whether it's justified or not. If he doesn't like it, move on.

[yokai]

LOL!!! OMG INTON! You're taking this too far. All this started with the awards I made. I was going to to make awards for the site. Nathy insisted that he was going to pay me. At first I was like, okay, I guess. I felt guilty because honestly, I didn't want to get paid for it. So I told him I'd do it for free. He kept insisting that he was going to pay me because of all I've done for FR and SBB. Keep in mind I wasn't paid for ANYTHING I've done for FR ans SBB. I said if he were to pay me just make my group cheaper, $10 was what he was going to pay me for whatever awards he needed, so my group would cost 10 dollars less. But I thought to myself, I've done all this for the community I love, and I love what I'm doing, so I paid full price for the group anyways, because I didn't want to get paid for something I love doing.

I am no mind-reader, nor do I follow every one of your public conversations with Nathy. (I promise I am no stalker. Sometimes.) You did admit that you at first agreed to taking payment, which is what I went off. Seeing how I couldn't find a place where you refused it until I said something about it. Also, I am not taking it "too far", I was just trying to prove the point to someone who actually have the intellect to debate properly. (Which is more or less for fun.)

[Theós]

LOL!!! OMG INTON! You're taking this too far. All this started with the awards I made. I was going to to make awards for the site. Nathy insisted that he was going to pay me. At first I was like, okay, I guess. I felt guilty because honestly, I didn't want to get paid for it. So I told him I'd do it for free. He kept insisting that he was going to pay me because of all I've done for FR and SBB. Keep in mind I wasn't paid for ANYTHING I've done for FR ans SBB. I said if he were to pay me just make my group cheaper, $10 was what he was going to pay me for whatever awards he needed, so my group would cost 10 dollars less. But I thought to myself, I've done all this for the community I love, and I love what I'm doing, so I paid full price for the group anyways, because I didn't want to get paid for something I love doing.

I am no mind-reader, nor do I follow every one of your public conversations with Nathy. (I promise I am no stalker. Sometimes.) You did admit that you at first agreed to taking payment, which is what I went off. Seeing how I couldn't find a place where you refused it until I said something about it. Also, I am not taking it "too far", I was just trying to prove the point to someone who actually have the intellect to debate properly. (Which is more or less for fun.)

Of course @12 , these kids are taking you serious, be careful lol you might hurt their pride