[Boudica]

When you give someone a gift, you're accepting the possibility that they may squander it. We're not puppets, after all.

Fair enough, but we also hold responsiblity to that gift and then comes consequences. Especially if this gift was way precious and not only important to you but also to others.

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When you give someone a gift, you're accepting the possibility that they may squander it. We're not puppets, after all.

Very interesting take on it. I suppose a "gift" denotes passing ownership to the person you're gifting to. Arguing on the semantics of "gift", you could say we own our own bodies, and still be within the bounds of that religious view.

Without a religious lens, I would argue it could still be a good philosophical question. Ownership is often considered to mean "total control" of something, but I don't think that's quite right. You might own a dog, but won't be in total control of all of it's actions and behaviours. In that sense, I would say I own my own body, but don't have full control over everything that happens to it. For example, if someone makes me laugh, I don't necessarily choose to laugh as it's an involuntary response. You could also go down the route of women's rights and abortion laws. Or as Kurd pointed out, there's also medical aspects to consider.

Actually, Boudica about that abortion.. The fetus will have his own soul after 40 days of pregnancy. Parent have all right not to induce a pregnancy but after 40 days according to human rights and religions you are going to kill someone who has soul and his/her heart is beating.

Hi Kurd, I understand your perspective on a fetus' soul. I have somewhat different beliefs around abortion, but I mostly mentioned abortion in relation to the ongoing arguments in the US about women's rights to have an abortion, and it's impact on the ownership of the woman's body. The idea is that because the woman cannot control whether or not she falls pregnant (there are many reasons unwanted/unintended pregnancies occur) they are being forced to undergo a rather traumatic experience with their bodies, with no say of their own. They will not be supported in this venture. None of the people enacting these laws will be paying for their medical bills, or child support. So one could argue the women's ownership of her body is diminished. This is the context that I was referring to.

You could also argue an intentionally pregnant woman has no control either, as you could say her body is owned by both her and the unborn child?

The point about the fetus is also a very good one to raise! It has even less ownership of it's body, especially during pregnancy of course.