[imgr8ness]

The war in Donbass is a similar situation to now. I believe Oni was referring to the lack of deaths on this scale. This is far larger than what happened in Donbass.

Yes absolutely more deaths, but my view is that is a pointless discussion, ideally there should be no deaths.

The more important discussion is how did we get to this point. Some people seem to think that Putin got up one day and decided to invade Ukraine just because.

In order to make sense of what is happening now, you must look at the history. Russia has been voicing its concern about NATO and US expansion eastward as far back as 2007 and even earlier.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2007-03/...set-russia
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/19/usa.nato

But the US in all of its wisdom decided to ignore Russia's legitimate concerns and press eastwards regardless.

Don't mistake my words to mean I am 'pro' Russia or any other such nonsense. My preference is always for peace, but you cannot antagonize a country, refuse to listen to their concerns and expect no response.

The US is primarily responsible for this and if you look at all of the wars they have been involved in for the last 30 years at least, you will see a pattern.

I'm anti-war, but nobody was claiming you are pro-Russia or even anti-Ukraine. We are all just having a discussion.

Yes of course, no one claimed I was 'pro' anything...yet. I felt it was necessary to make that point though, so as to avoid any confusion.