[Leviathan]

Well I would get one but I can't seem to find one that works with iOS & Android so yeah I'll wait for that aswell

[zorrophreak]

Well I would get one but I can't seem to find one that works with iOS & Android so yeah I'll wait for that aswell

The following chips (which are all identical chips from different manufacturers) should all be compatible both with Android and iPhone being that they all run on the NXP Mifare Ultralight platform. I know for a fact that my chip (the cData chip) is compatible with both Android and iPhone having tested it myself.

Cyberise (MultipassNFC - $69.99): https://cyberise.me/multipassme/22-multipass-nfc.html
DangerousThings (xNT - $69.99): https://dangerousthings.com/product/xnt/
Lattice Labs (cData - $49.99): https://latticelabs.org/store.html#!/cDa...category=0

It's not something that's been done on a large scale, so we don't yet know the impact both in day to day life and from a medical standpoint.

Correct, there are more people with the procedure done than you would imagine, but we don't have truly widespread adoption and research. Day to day, it does not affect me in any way, and the only change in lifestyle is the new RFID/NFC keycard in my hand, and the same goes for most others who have adopted these chips.

From a medical standpoint, there is a viable cause for concern, but it isn't something that can be widely tested in the medical world right now which is why so many smaller groups like Grindhouse Wetware, Dangerous Things, Cyberise, and Lattice Labs are performing the research and making the devices available to independent researchers. We're practically giving medical firms early stage testing in order to make it easy to kickstart their research. It has a proven track record in domestic animals such as dogs and cats, and the biocompatible glass coating (Schott 8625 "bioglass") is made for use in both humans and domestic animals, and has been proven for that purpose, which means that as long as the bioglass capsule is sealed correctly and not compromised in any way, it should not reject aside from poor implantation procedures.

I could easily see chips being something of a norm, but I could also see why they may never catch on. Security and safety are two very good arguments against it.

More advanced chips are being developed by the big names in bioimplants (Cyberise and Dangerous Things) with some of the smaller groups coming close behind. The VivoKey chip developed by Dangerous Things is capable of performing advanced cryptographic functions much like that in the EMV card systems. It allows you to perform contactless payments, while avoiding exposing the secret keys directly, as this chip would. Because of this, the mData style chip like I have is not capable of performing contactless payments, but it has the underlying technology to do so.

I certainly think it's viable. And advances like this are rarely done with en masse. Plenty of trials and case studies can contribute to a pool of information which can inform developers and researches until we are at a point where they are viable en masse. However, my concerns weren't so much that it's possible, or that it wouldn't one day perfectly safe from a medical standpoint. It's more the way in which people will view them. For example, there are many medical procedures that I could get now which are an implant of some kind or another, but choose not to, simply because I find the idea unsettling. I think it would take some time to get chipping to a point where it's a norm.

I feel like this topic could lead to larger more philosophical conversation - Human augmentation, what's next? xD

Ohh, I see what you mean. The majority of people tend to think "hey that's cool" but, being from the SE United States, have had tons of people exclaim that I have the "mark of the beast." Socially it is somewhat questionable. People think it's weird, wrong, etc

As with that there is certainly a philosophical standpoint on it, because the question is how far will we go? If you've ever played the game Deus Ex: Invisible War, one of the faction choices is the "Omar" which uses biohacking to artificially speed up human revolution in a collective consciousness and while every other faction ending results in some philosophical question or major world event being changes, theirs just gives you a discount on more black market biomods.

[Leviathan]

Well I would get one but I can't seem to find one that works with iOS & Android so yeah I'll wait for that aswell

The following chips (which are all identical chips from different manufacturers) should all be compatible both with Android and iPhone being that they all run on the NXP Mifare Ultralight platform. I know for a fact that my chip (the cData chip) is compatible with both Android and iPhone having tested it myself.

Cyberise (MultipassNFC - $69.99): https://cyberise.me/multipassme/22-multipass-nfc.html
DangerousThings (xNT - $69.99): https://dangerousthings.com/product/xnt/
Lattice Labs (cData - $49.99): https://latticelabs.org/store.html#!/cDa...category=0

Well I'm not sure which one I'll get but thinking about either the DangerousThings one (heard some stuff about it or the Lattice Labs one. Guess I gotta gather more infos on that now. Thank you!

[DashingDave]

No way, I'm ever going to even think about.
It scares me. Don't think if it would be a good idea at all.
There must be some dangerous effects or something.

But i just searched it on Google and found a user said:-

I did not experience pain, bleeding, or any post-procedure infection. The implant is not palpable, does not migrate, and has no physical side effects such as itching, irritation, or changes in skin appearance.

[Kludge]

That's pretty cool.
I'd stick a chip into me if I was in control of the wetware between chip and whatever the shit I wanted the chip to control.
Any third party applications or programs would create a possible breach of trust, and if you're doing literal surgery to put this chip in, don't you want 100% full-on control over every aspect of its actions?
Others are right. It's a conundrum

[papiswazy]

Hello no, whats the point of getting a microchip installed, unless youre a dog that disappears a lot and people wanna know your location. Unless you get something special in return why get chipped?

[zorrophreak]

Hello no, whats the point of getting a microchip installed, unless youre a dog that disappears a lot and people wanna know your location. Unless you get something special in return why get chipped?

Well, if your dog disappears and they're chipped then it's up to someone else to find them, you can't track someone or something by their chip, only read data off of those chips and, in the case of pets, contact the owner.

As for the point, it lets me key into my house, unlock my car, and I can carry around business cards and stuff. It's not the most functional, but I enjoy it and get use out of it.

[papiswazy]

Hello no, whats the point of getting a microchip installed, unless youre a dog that disappears a lot and people wanna know your location. Unless you get something special in return why get chipped?

Well, if your dog disappears and they're chipped then it's up to someone else to find them, you can't track someone or something by their chip, only read data off of those chips and, in the case of pets, contact the owner.

As for the point, it lets me key into my house, unlock my car, and I can carry around business cards and stuff. It's not the most functional, but I enjoy it and get use out of it.

basically if i can give you a hand shake we can then transfer data, but bro, still, yes have those features on you is kinda cool, but in the end be careful you never know someone might just cut your hand off and just use your hand to get your data. The future is now, this stuff definitely gonna be coming soon i bet you, for the moment yeah youre gucchi but personally getting chipped like that anything can happen. even if you program it, shit you gotta put your andriod in a protect ziplock bag so it doesnt get hacked. or data tapped.

Just saying i respect how you managed to do those things.. but still feel like getting chipped will make a whole lot of thing easier but in the end anything is possible with the right tools...
hehe would say trying to develop your own hack just in case

[Huffson]

There's no episode of Black Mirror that would prove that this dumbass action would not lead to a disaster.

[zorrophreak]

There's no episode of Black Mirror that would prove that this dumbass action would not lead to a disaster.

I've refrained from watching Black Mirror just because I don't have time, but I like the concept.

What disaster are you implying that is inevitably going to happen as a result of this.