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RE: Why people think Java is bad and old language? - phyrrus9 - 01-07-2017
(01-04-2017, 10:43 PM)Elf Wrote: I have no issues with it nor have heard anyone describe it like that :c
I don't think I like you anymore(01-05-2017, 08:17 PM)insidious Wrote: One word: Enterprise
if you have a language that made waves like Java did in enterprise, you can be damned sure it's going to stay there for a looong time no matter how shit the language is.
It's for the same reason that some dumbass companies still run Flash. Once it becomes a part of their system higherups find no need to replace it with something faster
Personally I don't like the language, I prefer something like C++, but if you're thinking about getting a job you sure as hell need to know Java.
First of all, you can't compare Java to C++. They are entirely different classes of languages (in my opinion, I'm not looking for a flame war here). C++ is (in a sense) a compiled language. That is, everything you write eventually gets translated to machine code. Java on the other hand is not. It's "translated" into a code that can only be read by the VM (there are exceptions to this: see Jazelle). So, the argument of java being cross platform is bunk, because Java is a platform. In not being a directly compiled language you get all the drawbacks of scripted languages with none of the benefits of compiled languages.
It would be appropriate to compare it to things like PHP, python, ruby, etc. In those cases, it has good benefits, but I wouldn't write real software in any of them.
RE: Why people think Java is bad and old language? - lux - 01-07-2017
(01-04-2017, 09:40 PM)Oni Wrote: I have a personal distaste for the language. @"Inori" gave some decent reasons. I'd even recommend C# over it, as he said.
C# is Java done right by your favourite company Microsoft.
They're still both garbage.
RE: Why people think Java is bad and old language? - lux - 01-07-2017
(01-05-2017, 08:17 PM)insidious Wrote: One word: Enterprise
Sun Microsystems pumped so much money into marketing on Java it nearly bunkrupted itself
RE: Why people think Java is bad and old language? - Inori - 01-07-2017
(01-07-2017, 09:09 PM)meow Wrote:(01-06-2017, 02:13 PM)Inori Wrote: I hate Java because it's...obsolete
I'm not here to defend Java, I really don't like it that much either, but you should stop using words you clearly don't know the meaning of. Java is still one of the most popular programming languages in the world, if not the most popluar.
It's obsolete in the sense that there's better options available for anything Java can do. Use Qt with C++ if you don't hate yourself.
RE: Why people think Java is bad and old language? - Mr.Kurd - 01-08-2017
(01-07-2017, 10:44 PM)Inori Wrote:(01-07-2017, 09:09 PM)meow Wrote:(01-06-2017, 02:13 PM)Inori Wrote: I hate Java because it's...obsolete
I'm not here to defend Java, I really don't like it that much either, but you should stop using words you clearly don't know the meaning of. Java is still one of the most popular programming languages in the world, if not the most popluar.
It's obsolete in the sense that there's better options available for anything Java can do. Use Qt with C++ if you don't hate yourself.
use NetBeans with Java if you don't hate yourself.Sorry.
RE: Why people think Java is bad and old language? - BORW3 - 01-08-2017
All this C++ lovers? Do they even actually use C++? Or just saying they do, to look smart?
I have learned Java and learned C++, they are quite similar in coding style, except c++ got more bullshit in my perspective, namespaces, extern variables, constexpr and const? The only think I probably like about C++ is its pointers, efficient ways to manager memory and objects, but java does this for you implicitly.
And this Qt bullshit? Only people I have heard enjoying are the ones using python with Qt, most guys I know using Qt cry blood before getting their program to run when on C++, but Java just works.
Java has so many libraries, some can even turn java code to another language, for example Vaadin for website development, code in Java turned to Javascript, HTML 5. All very fast.
When you look at it from an unbiased perspective, it starts looking like all languages after C++ are just trying to copy Java, check out C#, PHP,JavaScript, Python, etc... the list goes on.
It's like Debian on Linux, and all the other distros changing the themes and calling it a new operating system(Ubuntu and friends).
RE: Why people think Java is bad and old language? - BORW3 - 01-08-2017
(01-05-2017, 11:24 PM)Inori Wrote:(01-05-2017, 10:03 AM)BORW3 Wrote: Java is best, the libraries using it are robust.
Can code anything and everything with it, Games check, Website check, mobile apps check, etc.
Can't do that with any other language but C/C++ or the Java Photocopy(C#).
This is entirely incorrect. DirectX (the graphics framework of choice for the vast majority of games) is part of the Win32 framework, which Java can't do shit with but virtually every other language can fully utilize. Also, .NET and Visual C++ can both be used for both Android and iOS apps, you need look no further than the Visual Studio project creation page. Don't even start with websites; frameworks in other languages are a dime a dozen and JSP is fucking useless in comparison.
OOh, yeah, and uhmm, Win32? Windows bullshit? Dude how many phones exist? How many Android and iPhones exists vs comoputers(Windows PC's that is)? How many mobile devices even actually support Direct X? and How many consoles give a shit about Direct X? OpenGL is the future bro.
Only reason .NET is being used is because of Microsoft making it preferable for their operating system spreading propaganda, and trust me their is alot of WIndows lovers out their. .NET outside of WIndows is utter crap except for a few exceptions.
RE: Why people think Java is bad and old language? - Inori - 01-08-2017
(01-08-2017, 07:10 AM)Mr.Kurd Wrote:(01-07-2017, 10:44 PM)Inori Wrote:(01-07-2017, 09:09 PM)meow Wrote: I'm not here to defend Java, I really don't like it that much either, but you should stop using words you clearly don't know the meaning of. Java is still one of the most popular programming languages in the world, if not the most popluar.
It's obsolete in the sense that there's better options available for anything Java can do. Use Qt with C++ if you don't hate yourself.
Sorry.
Qt isn't an IDE, it's a framework. NetBeans isn't the first thing I'd use if I'm forced to use Java for CS, either.
RE: Why people think Java is bad and old language? - insidious - 01-08-2017
(01-08-2017, 08:00 AM)BORW3 Wrote: All this C++ lovers? Do they even actually use C++? Or just saying they do, to look smart?
I have learned Java and learned C++, they are quite similar in coding style, except c++ got more bullshit in my perspective, namespaces, extern variables, constexpr and const? The only think I probably like about C++ is its pointers, efficient ways to manager memory and objects, but java does this for you implicitly.
And this Qt bullshit? Only people I have heard enjoying are the ones using python with Qt, most guys I know using Qt cry blood before getting their program to run when on C++, but Java just works.
Java has so many libraries, some can even turn java code to another language, for example Vaadin for website development, code in Java turned to Javascript, HTML 5. All very fast.
When you look at it from an unbiased perspective, it starts looking like all languages after C++ are just trying to copy Java, check out C#, PHP,JavaScript, Python, etc... the list goes on.
It's like Debian on Linux, and all the other distros changing the themes and calling it a new operating system(Ubuntu and friends).
Thafuck? Wrong on so many levels.
Who in their right mind would code in Java for the sole purpose to turn it into Javascript? Wtf? Sounds like so many nukes just waiting to explode. Javascript already has it's own problems. Why couple Java's problems in with it. If your looking for a better way to code Javascript look into Typescript or something don't use fucking Java. Using java to code Javascript just sounds like someone was lazy and didn't want to take the time to learn Javascript.
Quote:I have learned Java and learned C++, they are quite similar in coding style, except c++ got more bullshit in my perspective, namespaces, extern variables, constexpr and const? The only think I probably like about C++ is its pointers, efficient ways to manager memory and objects, but java does this for you implicitly.Yeah, C++ does have more 'bullshit'. But your missing the point, that is its advantage over Java. You are able to do more by having more control. The fact that java does this implicitly is not a good thing, because in many usecases that can fail for the worse.
I do agree that Qt is shit, though.
Anyways, I largely agree with what @"phyrrus9" said,
Quote:First of all, you can't compare Java to C++. They are entirely different classes of languages (in my opinion, I'm not looking for a flame war here). C++ is (in a sense) a compiled language. That is, everything you write eventually gets translated to machine code. Java on the other hand is not. It's "translated" into a code that can only be read by the VM (there are exceptions to this: see Jazelle). So, the argument of java being cross platform is bunk, because Java is a platform. In not being a directly compiled language you get all the drawbacks of scripted languages with none of the benefits of compiled languages.
It would be appropriate to compare it to things like PHP, python, ruby, etc. In those cases, it has good benefits, but I wouldn't write real software in any of them.
RE: Why people think Java is bad and old language? - Mr.Kurd - 01-08-2017
(01-08-2017, 05:41 PM)Inori Wrote:(01-08-2017, 07:10 AM)Mr.Kurd Wrote:(01-07-2017, 10:44 PM)Inori Wrote: It's obsolete in the sense that there's better options available for anything Java can do. Use Qt with C++ if you don't hate yourself.
Sorry.
Qt isn't an IDE, it's a framework. NetBeans isn't the first thing I'd use if I'm forced to use Java for CS, either.
I didn't know that thank you.
But we have Qt IDE too, Haven't we?