(07-19-2015, 11:29 PM)Dyme Wrote: This is why I don't like when people use the "Freedom of Speech" argument for anything. Just because Oni CAN ban anyone for anything, it doesn't mean he should, or that it is the right thing to do.

(07-19-2015, 11:29 PM)Dyme Wrote: Just because Oni has the final say in everything that happens on SL doesn't mean that all voices of dissent are invalid/should not be listened to.

(07-19-2015, 11:29 PM)Dyme Wrote: Of course I am powerless in controlling the status of user accounts, as I do not own the forum. I realize this. With this being said, as long as I have the privilege to post, I will continue speak out when I think Oni is in the wrong, regardless of the fact that I do not own the forum.

(07-19-2015, 11:43 PM)roger_smith Wrote: It's simple stuff guys/gals, if you don't want to risk a ban, follow the rules, contribute to the forum positively, and form criticisms in an effective way that can offer a potential solution, while fully understanding that the single owner of the forum can decide to do as they please.

(07-19-2015, 10:14 PM)roger_smith Wrote: At the end of the day, this forum is a private website, owned and operated by @Oni and he can make whatever calls he wants. He could ban me tomorrow because he doesn't like my t-shirt. It is what it is.

I was in the same chat the logs came from. There is a certain level if disrespect and if oni wants to issue a ban on that, it's his call.

People argue a lot about freedom of speech and censorship. As far as that goes, freedom of speech in the terms of the first amendment applies to your freedom of speech not being infringed upon by the government. It has nothing to do with private groups/clubs/sites/etc. A private group/site/club/etc can deem what is and isn't acceptable for participation or admittance.

Personally I'm sad to see a lot of the turbulence, but some of that is above my pay grade

(07-19-2015, 10:53 PM)Eclipse Wrote: Hah. :p

EDIT: I agree with Roger. It is what it is and if someone doesn't like it, no one's forcing them to be here.

(07-19-2015, 11:44 PM)Acidulous Wrote: Just a simple addition to the quoted area.

The rules here are quite honestly so simple. They are short, clear and get the point across. This is not the kind of forum that has a whole rule book. Rules are standard, and for the most part complete common sense.

(07-19-2015, 11:58 PM)Oni Wrote: That, and I'm an incredibly reasonable. Oftentimes, I'm willing to give second chances, and even end permanent bans. However, that requires you have an interest in the forum and no interest in repeating past mistakes.

(07-19-2015, 11:43 PM)roger_smith Wrote: That's ultimately his choice to make though.


Valid or invalid, that's again his choice to make.

(07-20-2015, 12:15 AM)Dyme Wrote: But are you still not getting my point? I conceded that I know Oni is complete control over his forum. This I already understand as I said many times before.

It is his choice to make, I have never denied or refuted this claim. Are you suggesting that nobody should ever disagree with what Oni does and voice their opinion about it, simply because Oni owns the forum? I know you probably don't think so, but that is the impression your argument is giving off.

If Oni, right now, just permanently banned you for no specific reason, would you say "Oh well he owns the forum so I'm ok with this"? Maybe, but instinctively you would probably be angry and certainly disagree with what Oni did. With these feelings, would you really say nothing and just move on with your life and never express your distaste for Oni's decision? I know I wouldn't. Maybe it's a personality difference, I don't know. I'm just trying to get you to look at it from a different perspective.

But to reiterate one more time in case I haven't done so already. I understand that Oni owns this forum and can do whatever he likes with it. With this being said, I do not think it is wrong to express distaste for decisions made by Oni.

It's clear I'm not being understood so I'll just stop. Tbh I don't even care about the fact these ppl were banned or whatever I just don't like the fact that Oni is being dishonest and purposefully leaving out necessary information. Just because I don't like the fact that he's doing it, doesn't mean I'm denying that he has the right to do it, as he is the owner of this forum.

(07-20-2015, 12:24 AM)Oni Wrote: You can express distaste, but you're to do so respectfully. It's very rare I'll treat someone disrespectfully outright. If you treat me respectfully, I promise to do the absolute same. If you don't, I won't, and I sure as hell won't want you on my forum. In the end, I run this forum because I love it, and I have a small tolerance for people that disrespect it either.

(07-20-2015, 12:24 AM)Oni Wrote: You can express distaste, but you're to do so respectfully. It's very rare I'll treat someone disrespectfully outright. If you treat me respectfully, I promise to do the absolute same. If you don't, I won't, and I sure as hell won't want you on my forum. In the end, I run this forum because I love it, and I have a small tolerance for people that disrespect it either.

(06-09-2014, 08:19 AM)MiS Wrote:

Spoiler: What I think of you

I guess everything that I've done in SL just boils down to you. Without you, Sinisterly wouldn't exist, members of those separate, late sites would likely stay disconnected, nullchan would be nothing, and all of us members here wouldn't be in this drunk, never-ending party we call a forum. I want to let you know that I appreciate everything you've done, from helping me find this homely place to regulating it whenever you can, and that the people here do care about what you do, no matter how tsundere they are about showing it. You are a great admin and an amazing person as well - I really hope we get to chat a bunch more whether it's on the forums, Skype, or IRC.

(07-20-2015, 01:44 AM)MiS Wrote: I think the most worrying scenario is that things just feel "censored" without the banned members getting their side of the story heard fairly; if we look at the bans page, all that's said about their summary about them being removed is that "finger slipped", or "spamming" - which doesn't say much about these long time members being suddenly banned removed. In addition, certain threads were removed before; yes, they were critical and somewhat disrespectful, but does that warrant complete deletion since it was still criticism?

Although information within there may have been the result of private conversation, the fact that those logs were released means that it's floating around in the internet now, out in the public whether it's discussed here or not - PM, pastebin, or otherwise. Honestly, I think it'd just be better to address said logs with context of your own, since it came from your mouth; it'd be much better than trying to hide what was said and people conceiving their own opinions regardless of what was actually meant.