[Wisher]

Replying in general, and specially to Coder-san:

This may be a somehow difficult topic. However, the problem is: when a person commits suicide, extreme cases such as euthanasia aside, it is usually not a matter of will or willpower. It is not that this person reaches his/her (I'm using the male pronoun from now on)decision thoroughly, or that he's a coward or not. Generally, sucide attepts, be they successful or not, come from people who are in a state of depression.

And here we come to the real problem: a depression is an illness. A true illness. It is not a matter of just being sad and not being able to overcome it. In fact, one of the most extended definitions for depression amongst psychiatrists and psychologists is 'sadness without a cause'. If your father just died a week ago, and you're crying, that's not a depression, that's normal. But, if your father died three years ago, and you still cry every day, yes, that is pathological. The same way, if you spend a week crying and nothing bad has happened, you have a problem.

So, it may be that someone had a problem and, from it, he developed a depression. However, a person can also spawn a depression with no exterior cause. Depression is not just a thing 'of the mind' or of 'not thinking properly'. It has to do with neurotransmitter, substances that act in the brain the same way insulin acts in everyone's cells for dealing with sugar. Saying beaing depressed is a person's fault is the same as saying having diabetes is the patient's fault. Like hell.

Yes, emotions come from the brain. And the brain's activities determine one's feelings and emotions. And how one feels can be trained the same way one can train his muscles for running faster. But that's limited. No matter how much I try, and how much willpower I have, I will never run half as fast as Usain Bolt. Nor swim as well as Michael Phelps. One can go to therapy, can try to have a positive approach to life, can try to deal with everything... But, if his limbic system starts acting funny and his serotonin, dopamin, norepinephrin and GABA neurotransmitters start acting the wrong way, he will most likely commit suicide if he is not treated by a doctor (and a competent one at that). The same way a person who suffers from meningitis will die if not given the proper medicines.

And of course it is NOT his fault and NOT a weakness.

[Coder-san]

This is a delicate topic, and lets leave it at that.
Perhaps it is not "weakness", but it is "lack of strength" nonetheless.
Lets face it, most people suffer from depression from time to time. Some "clinge" to them, and some overcome them.
It is only human to lack strength, nothing wrong with it. But it requires superhuman strength to generate willpower in severe situations.

My point is that if the truly challenged people can manage to see light in the darkness, why can't we fully capable people?

[Coder-san]

This is a delicate topic, and lets leave it at that.
Perhaps it is not "weakness", but it is "lack of strength" nonetheless.
Lets face it, most people suffer from depression from time to time. Some "clinge" to them, and some overcome them.
It is only human to lack strength, nothing wrong with it. But it requires superhuman strength to generate willpower in severe situations.

My point is that if the truly challenged people can manage to see light in the darkness, why can't we fully capable people?

[Dawnc0re]

Seriously:
Suicide = not weak.
Sometimes, it's the only way out. When you totally get tired of life and it's CRAP.
Depression has many levels, and sometimes its fucckin is difficult to overrun.

Spoiler: Jk

*Experienced suicider*

[Dawnc0re]

Seriously:
Suicide = not weak.
Sometimes, it's the only way out. When you totally get tired of life and it's CRAP.
Depression has many levels, and sometimes its fucckin is difficult to overrun.

Spoiler: Jk

*Experienced suicider*

[FunKx]

It takes a lot of strenght to do suicide, I can tell you that. My mother told me that she wish I was never born. Yeah, that left me there alone in my room, thinking. I guess, that was a hint. Somehow, I never could get myself together, and just end it. Something always hold me back. So now...I wait for the shit to get real thick. Or Ima find Leprechaun's pot of gold. (you think that will never happen, yeah me either)
The feeling that holds you from ending your life, it fades away with every painful experience in your life. So basically, there is a breaking point. (Everyone has his own)

And why should a man suffer for others?

[FunKx]

It takes a lot of strenght to do suicide, I can tell you that. My mother told me that she wish I was never born. Yeah, that left me there alone in my room, thinking. I guess, that was a hint. Somehow, I never could get myself together, and just end it. Something always hold me back. So now...I wait for the shit to get real thick. Or Ima find Leprechaun's pot of gold. (you think that will never happen, yeah me either)
The feeling that holds you from ending your life, it fades away with every painful experience in your life. So basically, there is a breaking point. (Everyone has his own)

And why should a man suffer for others?

[xevenofhearts]

Yes, suicide = weak.

To the person considering it as an option. Do you really think your life is that bad?
What happened? Your girlfriend broke up? Tricked on you? Or you don't have any?
You don't have any good friends? There is no shoulder to cry on to when things are bad?
You think everybody you know considers yourself as a freak? They want to get rid of you?
You don't have any job? You're trying since years?

Well ding ding ding, wake up time.
You have NO IDEA how bad things are for people. You have not seen how poor people live. There are poor people who pick up polythene bags from garbage and sell those to earn some money for one time food. There are even people with no limbs at all who struggle in every task but still are able to live a happy life.
Your life is not bad, it's YOU who is living it the wrong way.

If you are that fed up with life, kill THE SELF, live for others. You'll find there is a bright side to life you haven't been exposed to yet.

Kill THE SELF, not YOURSELF.

I was going to say something like that but didn't want to touch base on this sensitive of a topic. I completely agree. I've seen real poverty. No love for you? Then don't worry about it. Love yourself! If it's that much of a big deal to you... then there's a larger problem.

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Replying in general, and specially to Coder-san:

This may be a somehow difficult topic. However, the problem is: when a person commits suicide, extreme cases such as euthanasia aside, it is usually not a matter of will or willpower. It is not that this person reaches his/her (I'm using the male pronoun from now on)decision thoroughly, or that he's a coward or not. Generally, sucide attepts, be they successful or not, come from people who are in a state of depression.

And here we come to the real problem: a depression is an illness. A true illness. It is not a matter of just being sad and not being able to overcome it. In fact, one of the most extended definitions for depression amongst psychiatrists and psychologists is 'sadness without a cause'. If your father just died a week ago, and you're crying, that's not a depression, that's normal. But, if your father died three years ago, and you still cry every day, yes, that is pathological. The same way, if you spend a week crying and nothing bad has happened, you have a problem.

So, it may be that someone had a problem and, from it, he developed a depression. However, a person can also spawn a depression with no exterior cause. Depression is not just a thing 'of the mind' or of 'not thinking properly'. It has to do with neurotransmitter, substances that act in the brain the same way insulin acts in everyone's cells for dealing with sugar. Saying beaing depressed is a person's fault is the same as saying having diabetes is the patient's fault. Like hell.

Yes, emotions come from the brain. And the brain's activities determine one's feelings and emotions. And how one feels can be trained the same way one can train his muscles for running faster. But that's limited. No matter how much I try, and how much willpower I have, I will never run half as fast as Usain Bolt. Nor swim as well as Michael Phelps. One can go to therapy, can try to have a positive approach to life, can try to deal with everything... But, if his limbic system starts acting funny and his serotonin, dopamin, norepinephrin and GABA neurotransmitters start acting the wrong way, he will most likely commit suicide if he is not treated by a doctor (and a competent one at that). The same way a person who suffers from meningitis will die if not given the proper medicines.

And of course it is NOT his fault and NOT a weakness.

Well Diabetes is often the patients fault for eating crap daily... And not being able to train yourself? Again, it's a lack of confidence. You can be the best. It will take a lot of work. It's a matter of whether you want to work. Sadly, people are becoming more and more lazy, especially in the USA. We give up too easily. That's the problem we need to solve.

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Replying in general, and specially to Coder-san:

This may be a somehow difficult topic. However, the problem is: when a person commits suicide, extreme cases such as euthanasia aside, it is usually not a matter of will or willpower. It is not that this person reaches his/her (I'm using the male pronoun from now on)decision thoroughly, or that he's a coward or not. Generally, sucide attepts, be they successful or not, come from people who are in a state of depression.

And here we come to the real problem: a depression is an illness. A true illness. It is not a matter of just being sad and not being able to overcome it. In fact, one of the most extended definitions for depression amongst psychiatrists and psychologists is 'sadness without a cause'. If your father just died a week ago, and you're crying, that's not a depression, that's normal. But, if your father died three years ago, and you still cry every day, yes, that is pathological. The same way, if you spend a week crying and nothing bad has happened, you have a problem.

So, it may be that someone had a problem and, from it, he developed a depression. However, a person can also spawn a depression with no exterior cause. Depression is not just a thing 'of the mind' or of 'not thinking properly'. It has to do with neurotransmitter, substances that act in the brain the same way insulin acts in everyone's cells for dealing with sugar. Saying beaing depressed is a person's fault is the same as saying having diabetes is the patient's fault. Like hell.

Yes, emotions come from the brain. And the brain's activities determine one's feelings and emotions. And how one feels can be trained the same way one can train his muscles for running faster. But that's limited. No matter how much I try, and how much willpower I have, I will never run half as fast as Usain Bolt. Nor swim as well as Michael Phelps. One can go to therapy, can try to have a positive approach to life, can try to deal with everything... But, if his limbic system starts acting funny and his serotonin, dopamin, norepinephrin and GABA neurotransmitters start acting the wrong way, he will most likely commit suicide if he is not treated by a doctor (and a competent one at that). The same way a person who suffers from meningitis will die if not given the proper medicines.

And of course it is NOT his fault and NOT a weakness.

Well Diabetes is often the patients fault for eating crap daily... And not being able to train yourself? Again, it's a lack of confidence. You can be the best. It will take a lot of work. It's a matter of whether you want to work. Sadly, people are becoming more and more lazy, especially in the USA. We give up too easily. That's the problem we need to solve.

[xevenofhearts]

Yes, suicide = weak.

To the person considering it as an option. Do you really think your life is that bad?
What happened? Your girlfriend broke up? Tricked on you? Or you don't have any?
You don't have any good friends? There is no shoulder to cry on to when things are bad?
You think everybody you know considers yourself as a freak? They want to get rid of you?
You don't have any job? You're trying since years?

Well ding ding ding, wake up time.
You have NO IDEA how bad things are for people. You have not seen how poor people live. There are poor people who pick up polythene bags from garbage and sell those to earn some money for one time food. There are even people with no limbs at all who struggle in every task but still are able to live a happy life.
Your life is not bad, it's YOU who is living it the wrong way.

If you are that fed up with life, kill THE SELF, live for others. You'll find there is a bright side to life you haven't been exposed to yet.

Kill THE SELF, not YOURSELF.

I was going to say something like that but didn't want to touch base on this sensitive of a topic. I completely agree. I've seen real poverty. No love for you? Then don't worry about it. Love yourself! If it's that much of a big deal to you... then there's a larger problem.

---

Replying in general, and specially to Coder-san:

This may be a somehow difficult topic. However, the problem is: when a person commits suicide, extreme cases such as euthanasia aside, it is usually not a matter of will or willpower. It is not that this person reaches his/her (I'm using the male pronoun from now on)decision thoroughly, or that he's a coward or not. Generally, sucide attepts, be they successful or not, come from people who are in a state of depression.

And here we come to the real problem: a depression is an illness. A true illness. It is not a matter of just being sad and not being able to overcome it. In fact, one of the most extended definitions for depression amongst psychiatrists and psychologists is 'sadness without a cause'. If your father just died a week ago, and you're crying, that's not a depression, that's normal. But, if your father died three years ago, and you still cry every day, yes, that is pathological. The same way, if you spend a week crying and nothing bad has happened, you have a problem.

So, it may be that someone had a problem and, from it, he developed a depression. However, a person can also spawn a depression with no exterior cause. Depression is not just a thing 'of the mind' or of 'not thinking properly'. It has to do with neurotransmitter, substances that act in the brain the same way insulin acts in everyone's cells for dealing with sugar. Saying beaing depressed is a person's fault is the same as saying having diabetes is the patient's fault. Like hell.

Yes, emotions come from the brain. And the brain's activities determine one's feelings and emotions. And how one feels can be trained the same way one can train his muscles for running faster. But that's limited. No matter how much I try, and how much willpower I have, I will never run half as fast as Usain Bolt. Nor swim as well as Michael Phelps. One can go to therapy, can try to have a positive approach to life, can try to deal with everything... But, if his limbic system starts acting funny and his serotonin, dopamin, norepinephrin and GABA neurotransmitters start acting the wrong way, he will most likely commit suicide if he is not treated by a doctor (and a competent one at that). The same way a person who suffers from meningitis will die if not given the proper medicines.

And of course it is NOT his fault and NOT a weakness.

Well Diabetes is often the patients fault for eating crap daily... And not being able to train yourself? Again, it's a lack of confidence. You can be the best. It will take a lot of work. It's a matter of whether you want to work. Sadly, people are becoming more and more lazy, especially in the USA. We give up too easily. That's the problem we need to solve.

---

Replying in general, and specially to Coder-san:

This may be a somehow difficult topic. However, the problem is: when a person commits suicide, extreme cases such as euthanasia aside, it is usually not a matter of will or willpower. It is not that this person reaches his/her (I'm using the male pronoun from now on)decision thoroughly, or that he's a coward or not. Generally, sucide attepts, be they successful or not, come from people who are in a state of depression.

And here we come to the real problem: a depression is an illness. A true illness. It is not a matter of just being sad and not being able to overcome it. In fact, one of the most extended definitions for depression amongst psychiatrists and psychologists is 'sadness without a cause'. If your father just died a week ago, and you're crying, that's not a depression, that's normal. But, if your father died three years ago, and you still cry every day, yes, that is pathological. The same way, if you spend a week crying and nothing bad has happened, you have a problem.

So, it may be that someone had a problem and, from it, he developed a depression. However, a person can also spawn a depression with no exterior cause. Depression is not just a thing 'of the mind' or of 'not thinking properly'. It has to do with neurotransmitter, substances that act in the brain the same way insulin acts in everyone's cells for dealing with sugar. Saying beaing depressed is a person's fault is the same as saying having diabetes is the patient's fault. Like hell.

Yes, emotions come from the brain. And the brain's activities determine one's feelings and emotions. And how one feels can be trained the same way one can train his muscles for running faster. But that's limited. No matter how much I try, and how much willpower I have, I will never run half as fast as Usain Bolt. Nor swim as well as Michael Phelps. One can go to therapy, can try to have a positive approach to life, can try to deal with everything... But, if his limbic system starts acting funny and his serotonin, dopamin, norepinephrin and GABA neurotransmitters start acting the wrong way, he will most likely commit suicide if he is not treated by a doctor (and a competent one at that). The same way a person who suffers from meningitis will die if not given the proper medicines.

And of course it is NOT his fault and NOT a weakness.

Well Diabetes is often the patients fault for eating crap daily... And not being able to train yourself? Again, it's a lack of confidence. You can be the best. It will take a lot of work. It's a matter of whether you want to work. Sadly, people are becoming more and more lazy, especially in the USA. We give up too easily. That's the problem we need to solve.

[Wisher]

Well Diabetes is often the patients fault for eating crap daily... And not being able to train yourself? Again, it's a lack of confidence. You can be the best. It will take a lot of work. It's a matter of whether you want to work. Sadly, people are becoming more and more lazy, especially in the USA. We give up too easily. That's the problem we need to solve.

Actualli, only one of the meny types of tiabetes can be influenced by alimentary habits. That would be Diabetes Mellitus II, in which a combination of factos, such as sedentary live, non-appropiate nutrition and so on, can lead the pancrreas to fail.

Tha's the only one. Diabetes Mellitus I is caused because of genetics, possibly enhanced by a virus or so on; whilst diabetes insipidus is caused for a lack of hormone-producing up in the brain. And certaintly a person who has DI or DMI is not at fault, the same way a person witl leukemia isn't.