[Anima Templi]

I agree ^

[Nailo]

oh my no iam ok dudes i just like to get different opinions from people on such topics.

I think suicide is like a coin...it has two sides.

One is weakness, and one is strength.

Weakness, is if you have family, friends (maybe even a wife and children) and leave all those behind, not even thinking about the pain you caused them. I mean you are essentially running from your problems, which is weak.

Now the strength one yes if you have litterally no one in this world, then maybe it can be considered strong, but before the person ends it all, they should at least try to find some thing to fill that void.

yeah but, do you think that we are no one to hold someones life as ones private/social/religious agenda might require?

[Nailo]

oh my no iam ok dudes i just like to get different opinions from people on such topics.

I think suicide is like a coin...it has two sides.

One is weakness, and one is strength.

Weakness, is if you have family, friends (maybe even a wife and children) and leave all those behind, not even thinking about the pain you caused them. I mean you are essentially running from your problems, which is weak.

Now the strength one yes if you have litterally no one in this world, then maybe it can be considered strong, but before the person ends it all, they should at least try to find some thing to fill that void.

yeah but, do you think that we are no one to hold someones life as ones private/social/religious agenda might require?

[LoneDevil]

oh my no iam ok dudes i just like to get different opinions from people on such topics.

I think suicide is like a coin...it has two sides.

One is weakness, and one is strength.

Weakness, is if you have family, friends (maybe even a wife and children) and leave all those behind, not even thinking about the pain you caused them. I mean you are essentially running from your problems, which is weak.

Now the strength one yes if you have litterally no one in this world, then maybe it can be considered strong, but before the person ends it all, they should at least try to find some thing to fill that void.

yeah but, do you think that we are no one to hold someones life as ones private/social/religious agenda might require?

That I really don't have much of a reply to.
But if you have family and friends, you are leaving them behind in the same agony you were in.
When there's so many things you can do to get better, if you have no friends, well be more social, and so on.

[LoneDevil]

oh my no iam ok dudes i just like to get different opinions from people on such topics.

I think suicide is like a coin...it has two sides.

One is weakness, and one is strength.

Weakness, is if you have family, friends (maybe even a wife and children) and leave all those behind, not even thinking about the pain you caused them. I mean you are essentially running from your problems, which is weak.

Now the strength one yes if you have litterally no one in this world, then maybe it can be considered strong, but before the person ends it all, they should at least try to find some thing to fill that void.

yeah but, do you think that we are no one to hold someones life as ones private/social/religious agenda might require?

That I really don't have much of a reply to.
But if you have family and friends, you are leaving them behind in the same agony you were in.
When there's so many things you can do to get better, if you have no friends, well be more social, and so on.

[Justme35]

I agree with live that we cant make a person stay alive just because of things they could do, but we should encourage them to find a different way of coping other than death. Its just that death is so final. and its not something that can be undone. you can always try different coping methods in life, and if you just cant find a way to make it work after many long years of trying, then yes i think suicide should be accepted.

afterall, ill prolly off myself at like age 60. i dont ever wanna be old and yucky and alone

[Justme35]

I agree with live that we cant make a person stay alive just because of things they could do, but we should encourage them to find a different way of coping other than death. Its just that death is so final. and its not something that can be undone. you can always try different coping methods in life, and if you just cant find a way to make it work after many long years of trying, then yes i think suicide should be accepted.

afterall, ill prolly off myself at like age 60. i dont ever wanna be old and yucky and alone

[Coder-san]

Yes, suicide = weak.

To the person considering it as an option. Do you really think your life is that bad?
What happened? Your girlfriend broke up? Tricked on you? Or you don't have any?
You don't have any good friends? There is no shoulder to cry on to when things are bad?
You think everybody you know considers yourself as a freak? They want to get rid of you?
You don't have any job? You're trying since years?

Well ding ding ding, wake up time.
You have NO IDEA how bad things are for people. You have not seen how poor people live. There are poor people who pick up polythene bags from garbage and sell those to earn some money for one time food. There are even people with no limbs at all who struggle in every task but still are able to live a happy life.
Your life is not bad, it's YOU who is living it the wrong way.

If you are that fed up with life, kill THE SELF, live for others. You'll find there is a bright side to life you haven't been exposed to yet.

Kill THE SELF, not YOURSELF.

[Coder-san]

Yes, suicide = weak.

To the person considering it as an option. Do you really think your life is that bad?
What happened? Your girlfriend broke up? Tricked on you? Or you don't have any?
You don't have any good friends? There is no shoulder to cry on to when things are bad?
You think everybody you know considers yourself as a freak? They want to get rid of you?
You don't have any job? You're trying since years?

Well ding ding ding, wake up time.
You have NO IDEA how bad things are for people. You have not seen how poor people live. There are poor people who pick up polythene bags from garbage and sell those to earn some money for one time food. There are even people with no limbs at all who struggle in every task but still are able to live a happy life.
Your life is not bad, it's YOU who is living it the wrong way.

If you are that fed up with life, kill THE SELF, live for others. You'll find there is a bright side to life you haven't been exposed to yet.

Kill THE SELF, not YOURSELF.

[Wisher]

Replying in general, and specially to Coder-san:

This may be a somehow difficult topic. However, the problem is: when a person commits suicide, extreme cases such as euthanasia aside, it is usually not a matter of will or willpower. It is not that this person reaches his/her (I'm using the male pronoun from now on)decision thoroughly, or that he's a coward or not. Generally, sucide attepts, be they successful or not, come from people who are in a state of depression.

And here we come to the real problem: a depression is an illness. A true illness. It is not a matter of just being sad and not being able to overcome it. In fact, one of the most extended definitions for depression amongst psychiatrists and psychologists is 'sadness without a cause'. If your father just died a week ago, and you're crying, that's not a depression, that's normal. But, if your father died three years ago, and you still cry every day, yes, that is pathological. The same way, if you spend a week crying and nothing bad has happened, you have a problem.

So, it may be that someone had a problem and, from it, he developed a depression. However, a person can also spawn a depression with no exterior cause. Depression is not just a thing 'of the mind' or of 'not thinking properly'. It has to do with neurotransmitter, substances that act in the brain the same way insulin acts in everyone's cells for dealing with sugar. Saying beaing depressed is a person's fault is the same as saying having diabetes is the patient's fault. Like hell.

Yes, emotions come from the brain. And the brain's activities determine one's feelings and emotions. And how one feels can be trained the same way one can train his muscles for running faster. But that's limited. No matter how much I try, and how much willpower I have, I will never run half as fast as Usain Bolt. Nor swim as well as Michael Phelps. One can go to therapy, can try to have a positive approach to life, can try to deal with everything... But, if his limbic system starts acting funny and his serotonin, dopamin, norepinephrin and GABA neurotransmitters start acting the wrong way, he will most likely commit suicide if he is not treated by a doctor (and a competent one at that). The same way a person who suffers from meningitis will die if not given the proper medicines.

And of course it is NOT his fault and NOT a weakness.