[issmmm]

I know this forum and other like it (Iassume there is others like it, I googled hacker community) will get people like me who have never hacked a thing. A lot of us show up because we've been 'hacked' and are looking for answers or revenge (see first thread) and you guys rightly geat us down like whack-a-mole or promptly ignor us, not letting us in.

But I intend to stay for a while and learn from you, I may never rise above class d, I may never learn what class d means. But I plan on being here a while even if it's just social and my personality is direct, so my question is direct, sorta. I just want to set it up so it's the last line in the OP.

In the movies you are portrayed as the nerd, obcessed one, et al in the basement or some other dedicated room with tons of computer equipment puzzled together from other machines. The charactor is either way cool or way uncool, but always dedicated to betting the machine and "the man".

But everything I see from Hollywood is 2 dimentional and incomplete. Which leads, finally to my question (s):

what does it mean to hack?

what is a hacker?

Is there really a black hat and white hat divide, and if so is it organized or just a label the media uses?

looking forward to answers

[Frooxius]

Class D (and up) is just a forum rank based on how many posts you have, it doesn't reflect at all your (or anybody else's) skills.

I doubt that people here will help you with revenge, since this is supposed to be ethical hacking forums and no harmful activities are supported (stealing data and attacking somebody), but rather educating how they're done so people can protect against them.

Hollywood and most other films hardly portray the reality, they're just stereotypes and there's actually a lot of nonsense in these movies... It doesn't reflect reality much - both in the case of the hacker-person and the hacking process itself, since movies are more for the effect.

I'm sure that various hackers have different morality and different intentions, so there is black and white hat division. Some don't like the idea of attacking and hurting people and rather use their knowledge to protect against these attacks, while some people want to use this knowledge for personal gain, usually getting money even if that means stealing it from someone else.

[issmmm]

so what's a hacker?
ishe simply a hobbistof sorts?

[White Charisma]

Hacking

is where you test people systems for vulns and if there are any, you report them to the system admin

Cracking

is where you hack for revenge/fun/ pure evil of it xD

i'm mainly a cracker

[issmmm]

see? I'm leaning already

vulns= vulnerabilities, no?

cracker=new term for me= mischevious hacker?

[!CRYPTOGRAPHY!]

Hacking

is where you test people systems for vulns and if there are any, you report them to the system admin

Cracking

is where you hack for revenge/fun/ pure evil of it xD

i'm mainly a cracker

How doe's cracking make you evil?, Or how is it even for revenge?, There are lots of ways you can have revenge such as ratting, Key-logging or using a stealer.

And hacking isn't just endlessly searching for some vulnerability in a server, Thats called penetration testing.

Hacking is a term used for all of these activities.

[Solixious]

i'm mainly a cracker

are you calling yourself pure evil?

[1234hotmaster]

i'm not sure but

Hacking = Gaining complete access over another system without privilege
Cracking = Changing a program binary or decrypting encrypted codes
Penetration Testing = Testing systems for protection against hackers and providing that
Black hat = Hacking for money and illegal purposes
Gray hat = Hacking for fun or education
White Hat = Learning penetration testing

[White Charisma]

Hacking

is where you test people systems for vulns and if there are any, you report them to the system admin

Cracking

is where you hack for revenge/fun/ pure evil of it xD

i'm mainly a cracker

How doe's cracking make you evil?, Or how is it even for revenge?, There are lots of ways you can have revenge such as ratting, Key-logging or using a stealer.

And hacking isn't just endlessly searching for some vulnerability in a server, Thats called penetration testing.

Hacking is a term used for all of these activities.

I never said it makes you evil, i'm just saying you can do evil things.

i'm mainly a cracker

are you calling yourself pure evil?

Maybe

[White Charisma]

Hacking

is where you test people systems for vulns and if there are any, you report them to the system admin

Cracking

is where you hack for revenge/fun/ pure evil of it xD

i'm mainly a cracker

How doe's cracking make you evil?, Or how is it even for revenge?, There are lots of ways you can have revenge such as ratting, Key-logging or using a stealer.

And hacking isn't just endlessly searching for some vulnerability in a server, Thats called penetration testing.

Hacking is a term used for all of these activities.

I never said it makes you evil, i'm just saying you can do evil things.

i'm mainly a cracker

are you calling yourself pure evil?

Maybe