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RE: Zelensky concedes Ukraine won't join Nato #16
(03-19-2022, 08:28 PM)Boudica Wrote:
(03-18-2022, 12:43 AM)imgr8ness Wrote: Zelensky indirectly admits that the war could of been avoided all along, as one of Russia's points was that Ukraine should remain independent and not join NATO.

That being the case, why did Zelensky make the choice to fight Russia to begin with?

Reading Zelenskys various statements as the war progressed has revealed he made a grave mistake opting to oppose Russia, for which his own people have paid the price.

Ukraine is not in NATO and therefore NATO is bound by their own laws not to engage in this conflict.

Zelensky gambled with his peoples lives, hoping that NATO would come to the rescue but ultimately this was never going to happen and now he has Ukrainian blood on his hands.

This actor and comedian should NEVER have been elected, he has proved to be a disaster for the country.

And when the conflict finally ends and Zelensky has achieved nothing except what Russia asked for from the start, the people will see that their loved ones dying was all for nothing.

I'm sorry, who began military operations and actually started the fighting?

(03-25-2022, 08:49 AM)Boudica Wrote:
(03-24-2022, 12:09 AM)imgr8ness Wrote:
(03-23-2022, 08:29 PM)Boudica Wrote: Agreed! There's a big difference between ideals and reality.

My Ukrainian friend was mostly explaining to others in the social group why the Russian's believed what the believed. She was talking about some of the media censorship that goes on which can shape a narrative. However, she of course, is not in Russia right now xD

'My Ukrainian friend...'

That would explain why you're ignoring my carefully crafted responses, since you clearly side with Ukraine. It appears you would rather stick to your beliefs like glue without question, rather than engage in a meaningful discussion.

A good quote which is quite apt for you is: To avoid criticism...say nothing, do nothing, be nothing.

Its interesting speaking with people who appear to hold an unshakeable belief in something when they are not willing to back up those beliefs with actions, merely words.

In simple terms, if you think Russia is so evil and Ukraine is the victim, why don't you leave the comfort of your home and go fight alongside the Ukrainians?

Excuse me? It seems as if you've not actually read any of what I've said, or understand any of my viewpoints.
As I've already made clear, I make my opinions based on multiple sources of information, rather than one, and take everything I read with a pinch of salt.

My Ukrainian friend is describing her experience. Not all facts of the event. She is only describing what she has seen, and heard, and experienced. As with anything, one should understand the source the information they receive, and it's limitations. It was interesting to hear her take on it but this is why I immediately said I'd like to hear an actual Russian citizens' perspective as well.

Not once have I said I think Russia is evil. Please re-read my comments.

I'm against war in general, but I know it's a reality of life. No party is innocent in war. These are the opinions I've expressed thus far.

Clearly referring to Russia, you wrote 'I'm sorry, who began military operations and actually started the fighting?'

Yes of course you did not say Russia is evil, but with your statements thus far, there is only one conclusion I can draw.

There is no question of course that Russia entered Ukraine and started fighting and there is no question that most people prefer to live in peace.

However, you must look at the reasons why Russia have acted at this point. Hasn't it occured to you that Putin held the Russian presidency for over 9 years (this time) and he did not choose to act until now? You must be aware that Putin has reasons for taking action.

Putting aside the argument that 'war is bad', fact is, the world has been built on conflict in one way or another. So arguing over the necessity of war is outside the scope of this discussion.

I believe war is necessary under the right conditions. With that said, the most important thing is to look at the reason behind the war. As we all know, the reason for a war is everything, its why the western media pushes false narratives in order to give the US legitimacy when carrying out murder. For instance, by pushing the lie that Saddam had 'weapons of mass destruction'.

And so we see the same thing now in western media, endless stories about Putin and how evil he is, all the while ignoring anything amiss with Ukraine or Zelensky.

As an example of that point, here is an article from Reuters in 2018 which reports on the corruption which is rampant in Ukraine. Of course, we don't hear about that now, apparently Ukraine and Zelensky are angels.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-idUSKBN1GV2TY

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