[mothered]

My ownership of my own body never meant anything to my family or others.

That's because you still own It- alive and well.

I know for a fact, that my death will have a severe Impact on the emotional state of my parents, probably to point of either one taking their own life. My well-being Is their well-being, thus It's crucial I look after myself to look after them.

In fact, it wasnt until after I kicked the addiction that my own family attempted to have me murdered.

I do hope this Is not In a literal sense.

[LambOfNothing]

my argument is that you own your own body and only you should be making decisions about what can and cannot go into it.

Absolutely.

However, you should also consider the thoughts and emotions of others, namely loved ones. Your passing due to an overdose, will have a significant negative Impact on the emotional state of close friends and family.

Not everything you do in life warrants the consideration of outsiders. This serves no other tide than to water down what it is to be an individual and to have your own life at all. We all have loved ones and we all have friends and people we care about who will mourn us when we're gone, regardless of how or when we go out.

Should one tell a significant other to consider their parents every time they feel like having a cheeseburger? Should one tell a friend to think about those they'll leave behind when they propose going and meeting someone on Tinder for drinks? You could, but people are going to do what their impulses and thirst for life compel them to do. Thinking about what others will feel in the absolute worst case scenario is just a huge waste of time and a really outdated Boomer take on any potential existential threat.

The potential for bad things to happen is everywhere at any given moment, with any given action. People just look at drug use as this weird exception, where the consequences of individual indulgence is somehow unique in its ability to bring about grief into the lives of those who survive us. All that is is perception. Yes, know your limits. Yes, do the research. But also live for yourself and don't buy into this narrative of "doing right by other people" whose inclusion in your life is mostly about mutual exchange, and not some kind of one-way street where you're indebted to them and owe them complete allegiance in mind, body, and soul, anyway.

"To live is to suffer." Suffer on your own terms, and let people sort out their misery on their terms.

Also: Smoke weed everyday.

[Dismas]

my argument is that you own your own body and only you should be making decisions about what can and cannot go into it.

Absolutely.

However, you should also consider the thoughts and emotions of others, namely loved ones. Your passing due to an overdose, will have a significant negative Impact on the emotional state of close friends and family.

Not everything you do in life warrants the consideration of outsiders. This serves no other tide than to water down what it is to be an individual and to have your own life at all. We all have loved ones and we all have friends and people we care about who will mourn us when we're gone, regardless of how or when we go out.

Should one tell a significant other to consider their parents every time they feel like having a cheeseburger? Should one tell a friend to think about those they'll leave behind when they propose going and meeting someone on Tinder for drinks? You could, but people are going to do what their impulses and thirst for life compel them to do. Thinking about what others will feel in the absolute worst case scenario is just a huge waste of time and a really outdated Boomer take on any potential existential threat.

The potential for bad things to happen is everywhere at any given moment, with any given action. People just look at drug use as this weird exception, where the consequences of individual indulgence is somehow unique in its ability to bring about grief into the lives of those who survive us. All that is is perception. Yes, know your limits. Yes, do the research. But also live for yourself and don't buy into this narrative of "doing right by other people" whose inclusion in your life is mostly about mutual exchange, and not some kind of one-way street where you're indebted to them and owe them complete allegiance in mind, body, and soul, anyway.

"To live is to suffer." Suffer on your own terms, and let people sort out their misery on their terms.

Also: Smoke weed everyday.

You shouldn't base your decisions on the judgement of others, but the propensity for a substance to cause addiction/harm. Drugs like heroin, meth, or cocaine can legitimately cut decades off your lifespan. The descent isn't always immediate and can be slow/insidious. Many people will say "just once" or "only on the weekend", but for many it becomes a habit. I've seen it happen, and the parents/friends are the ones that worry and suffer the most.

Contamination is also a big problem, as dealers are lacing their product. While I don't do drugs, I've gone to raves with friends. In my city, it's common practice for dealers here to sell ecstasy that's "H-based" or "meth-based". As you can imagine, people are overdosing and slipping into comas (unaware of what they took). Unless you reagent test, there's no telling what you're using. I've discovered that when people have a habit, they are liable to make compromises.

If a drug makes you justify disregarding your friends or family, then it's already too late. Not talking about marijuana.

[mothered]

Not everything you do in life warrants the consideration of outsiders.

I'm not referring to "everything", but rather the Impact of one's death (due to a drug overdose) on their parent's mental/emotional state.

Any close-knit family would be significantly affected.

[Boudica]

Not everything you do in life warrants the consideration of outsiders.

I'm not referring to "everything", but rather the Impact of one's death (due to a drug overdose) on their parent's mental/emotional state.

Any close-knit family would be significantly affected.

The discussion in this thread seems to be coming from an approach of all or nothing. You either do anything, and therefore everything you want, or you're not allowed to at all. The world isn't that simple.

I'd say people rarely always choose the sensible option, and perhaps shouldn't always have to, but to completely ignore the impact of what you do on anyone else is nothing short of selfish. If you're happy to live selfishly, then that is your choice, but don't pretend that's not what it is.

As always, I think people should be able to choose. However, don't make choices without access to all of the facts.

[mothered]

but to completely ignore the impact of what you do on anyone else is nothing short of selfish. If you're happy to live selfishly, then that is your choice, but don't pretend that's not what it is.

It sums It up to a tee.

I couldn't have said It better myself.

[Boudica]

but to completely ignore the impact of what you do on anyone else is nothing short of selfish. If you're happy to live selfishly, then that is your choice, but don't pretend that's not what it is.

It sums It up to a tee.

I couldn't have said It better myself.

Thank you for saying so! A lot of discussion around drugs focuses on consequences, so it does no harm to acknowledge them.

[LawDogUSA]

Ok, so your getting a response from a former LE guy here. But back in the day on the mean streets of Chicago. The great city planners want the projects closed down, so nice places with huge tax benefits can be developed. I didn't care much, I just followed orders. Now as we are coming in the area we are going to hit that day, and I'm a dumb excited rookie. I see all these ambulances lined up all ready, and I'm like shit, we must be expecting a lot of injuries. But we all must report in one of these ambulances first before we go out. So I go in with a few other crew guys, thinking WTF. There's a doctor and nurse or 2 in there. Doctor looks at me and says what do you need. In my mind I'm thinking a BJ from the nurse. My Boss says I'm new. Doc says you nervous, I said more excited, doc says anything hurting and I say my back is a bit sore, doc says you focused, and I said I feel like I'm in a cluster fuck. Boom, nurse tells me to drop my pants, hey great idea, I'm hit with a pain shot and another which I would assume was Adderall. And minutes in I'm buzzed and focused as fuck. Into hell we went and we're deadly and done in know time. Afterwards, we are taking hits of laughing gas. No clue I had burns, and 2 gashes needing around 20 stitches. Pants up, slapped on the ass, then round 2, back in, then round 3. Woke up the next day sore, burned, stiched and a report to make your appointment at the hospital for follow up. You go in, it's all nurses, strip down to your underwear, and then it's pulled off, your checked cleaned, bandaged, shot of antibiotics and issued orders for your next work date, which is a day or 2. And same thing. We were drugging up to go in to battle. But, felt great, dialed in, and no pain. So, no greif from me. The docs kept track, except for the laughing gas visits. All, in all, good fucking times.

But drugs in general, no need or desire. Don't like to smoke anything. And just like to feel really good, not many drugs hit that feeling. A fun sexy woman to date for a long time is a much better drug. Booze, the next day feeling sucks.

Now are steroids drugs for this list?

G

[Boudica]

Ok, so your getting a response from a former LE guy here. But back in the day on the mean streets of Chicago. The great city planners want the projects closed down, so nice places with huge tax benefits can be developed. I didn't care much, I just followed orders. Now as we are coming in the area we are going to hit that day, and I'm a dumb excited rookie. I see all these ambulances lined up all ready, and I'm like shit, we must be expecting a lot of injuries. But we all must report in one of these ambulances first before we go out. So I go in with a few other crew guys, thinking WTF. There's a doctor and nurse or 2 in there. Doctor looks at me and says what do you need. In my mind I'm thinking a BJ from the nurse. My Boss says I'm new. Doc says you nervous, I said more excited, doc says anything hurting and I say my back is a bit sore, doc says you focused, and I said I feel like I'm in a cluster fuck. Boom, nurse tells me to drop my pants, hey great idea, I'm hit with a pain shot and another which I would assume was Adderall. And minutes in I'm buzzed and focused as fuck. Into hell we went and we're deadly and done in know time. Afterwards, we are taking hits of laughing gas. No clue I had burns, and 2 gashes needing around 20 stitches. Pants up, slapped on the ass, then round 2, back in, then round 3. Woke up the next day sore, burned, stiched and a report to make your appointment at the hospital for follow up. You go in, it's all nurses, strip down to your underwear, and then it's pulled off, your checked cleaned, bandaged, shot of antibiotics and issued orders for your next work date, which is a day or 2. And same thing. We were drugging up to go in to battle. But, felt great, dialed in, and no pain. So, no greif from me. The docs kept track, except for the laughing gas visits. All, in all, good fucking times.

But drugs in general, no need or desire. Don't like to smoke anything. And just like to feel really good, not many drugs hit that feeling. A fun sexy woman to date for a long time is a much better drug. Booze, the next day feeling sucks.

Now are steroids drugs for this list?

G

I hope they aren't still doing this. That sounds totally messed up and wrong on every level.

[LawDogUSA]

Ok, so your getting a response from a former LE guy here.  But back in the day on the mean streets of Chicago.  The great city planners want the projects closed down, so nice places with huge tax benefits can be developed.  I didn't care much, I just followed orders.  Now as we are coming in the area we are going to hit that day, and I'm a dumb excited rookie.  I see all these ambulances lined up all ready, and I'm like shit, we must be expecting a lot of injuries.  But we all must report in one of these ambulances first before we go out.  So I go in with a few other crew guys, thinking WTF.  There's a doctor and nurse or 2 in there.  Doctor looks at me and says what do you need.  In my mind I'm thinking a BJ from the nurse.  My Boss says I'm new.  Doc says you nervous, I said more excited, doc says anything hurting and I say my back is a bit sore, doc says you focused, and I said I feel like I'm in a cluster fuck.  Boom, nurse tells me to drop my pants, hey great idea, I'm hit with a pain shot and another which I would assume was Adderall.  And minutes in I'm buzzed and focused as fuck.  Into hell we went and we're deadly and done in know time.  Afterwards, we are taking hits of laughing gas.  No clue I had burns, and 2 gashes needing around 20 stitches.  Pants up, slapped on the ass, then round 2, back in, then round 3.  Woke up the next day sore, burned, stiched and a report to make your appointment at the hospital for follow up.  You go in, it's all nurses, strip down to your underwear, and then it's pulled off, your checked cleaned, bandaged, shot of antibiotics and issued orders for your next work date, which is a day or 2.  And same thing.  We were drugging up to go in to battle.  But, felt great, dialed in, and no pain.  So, no greif from me.  The docs kept track, except for the laughing gas visits.  All, in all, good fucking times.

But drugs in general, no need or desire.  Don't like to smoke anything.  And just like to feel really good, not many drugs hit that feeling.  A fun sexy woman to date for a long time is a much better drug.  Booze, the next day feeling sucks.

Now are steroids drugs for this list?

G

I hope they aren't still doing this. That sounds totally messed up and wrong on every level.

Yes, I know it sounds wrong, but the thing I can say is in certain situations, it's better to be your absolute best, even if it's artificial. An example is a professional football player is getting his start and wants to be able to play his absolute best, for the win, his team, his contract, etc. So he gets his meds, etc, to play. I know, this is basically for entertainment, but his millions may be on the line.

Now, back to my story. I don't know how familiar people are with the projects, like Cabrini Green was in Chicago, and others around the US. I have been in military war zones, and I can honestly tell you some parts of certain cities are war zones, worse than the military ones. We needed to be on top of our game, mistakes are bad and can end in tragedy. Worse part, this isnt for millions, this is for under $100k and lives are on the line. There's no absolute game plan, just training. Probably the worst I saw was busting in a door, and 3 male subjects had babies duck tapped to themselves, around their chests, to prevent us from shooting at them, while holding rifles and machine guns. Turned out the weapons they had were fakes or BB guns, and the hope was the Cops would bust the door in and see the guys with guns and would shoot, killing the babies strapped/tapped to their chests to make a statement that the city was taking their homes away and the Cops were killing infants to get it done. My goodness!

I was the first one through the door, and proud to say that not a shot was fired by anyone, and the babies (all under 1 years old) were unharmed, except for the bad rash/tape burns from when the paramedics removed the tape from the babies bare skin.

So, am I happy I got a few shots and was dialed in or zoned in to not start firing 3 crazy males with fake rifles and guns. You bet your ass.

But, I completely understand your thinking. I wish this world was not like this or I had a magic button to make this stuff not happen. Unfortunately I don't, and am so thankful none of us doped up Cops killed any of these innocent babies. I went to the hospital afterwards and held one of the unclaimed babies for hours as I balled my eyes out and we both fell asleep for several hours.

Next day, back to work and back at it. This World can be a real fucked up place. I'm not saying it's right, but please don't look at it like we were wrong. All off this, so the city can build luxury places for people to live and collect very high taxes and not pay for section 8 housing projects.

I'm glad I did what I did. Don't have to do it anymore. Just told the story to present a different view on drug use. It seems drugs take your money and eventually destroy your life or those around you. But, I believe people have a choice to do what they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone. So, my stance would be to make them legal, tax them, and enjoy the heck out of life! Most people will be getting them anyway.

Just an opinion. I really just want people happy and everyone's life to be the best it can be. I'm always here to help, if you need something from me, shoot me a PM

Respectfully Submitted,

Love y'all

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