[Slacker]

@oni yes we've had similar post to this since the boards started, I won't deny it.

But before it was actually methods, tutorials, bragging rights etc.

People did ALOT more then join to just ask for help or expect others to do it.

Refunding Amazon doesn't phase me to that extent, people expecting you to hold Thier hand the entire way and repeatidly ask the same questions back to back when it was answered ten times on other threads (often still on the top page of the section) is what bothers me . Big difference imo

[Dismas]

Lots of replies, for a dead forum.

@oni yes we've had similar post to this since the boards started, I won't deny it.

But before it was actually methods, tutorials, bragging rights etc.

People did ALOT more then join to just ask for help or expect others to do it.

Refunding Amazon doesn't phase me to that extent, people expecting you to hold Thier hand the entire way and repeatidly ask the same questions back to back when it was answered ten times on other threads (often still on the top page of the section) is what bothers me . Big difference imo

You should look at the first and last 5-10 pages of the section. We still have tutorials coming in, ironically on the same stuff that is covered in the last 5-10 pages of the section (i.e. Amazon, McDonalds, Nike). I also went back and checked, and you have almost no threads in the section. A year ago you were doing the same petty stuff you are now complaining about. At the same time, you contributed very little to the section.

One positive change I have seen, is that the community's propensity to ask for help increased. I don't see that as a bad thing and instead of trying to exclude others or deny them help, you should strive to include them and help them improve. If you can help them find answers more efficiently, then you should do so, or at the very least ignore the thread. I already expressed that I have no interest in a forum that excludes potential members or denies them help.

I SE:
* verizon out of smart phones when mine break / become out dated (takes a few times til you get a rep thats not super bitchy)
* Amazon for all types of free shit.
* InfinityWard (VERY time consuming as support chat is via fucking face book)
* Several "x month / x week Trials" (Didnt get to use the trial enough to see if i liked the product... maybe i could get another to enjoy before i purchase etc lol

[Boudica]

There are so many posts in this thread that I want to reply to but since there's so many I won't. I've left a simple like for those of you who said something that seemed really significant and true.

I keep hearing mention of this "good old days" thing, as if the forum was more active in the past. It most certainly wasn't. However, the members and their interests were different in the early days. I would say many of us certainly "hung out" more outside of the forum and several members were very active in their interests, whereas as now we hear less about individual achievements and projects. However, that is the nature of growth. Parts of it are less personal, in the sense that not everyone knows each other's business. Forgive me for a terrible analogy, but SL reminds me of a city. In it's early beginnings it had a lot of character and people were close and very technical, but now the 'city' has grown we are getting a lot more variety in the people and interests we see. We don't know all the neighbours that live on the street (or in the sub-forum), but we are still part of a dynamic and interesting community.

[mothered]

Hacking isn't something you learn to do, and it's not something that can be done in a few keystrokes. I've collaborated on many of these teams (in the iOS scene) and I can tell you progress is slow.

Absolutely spot on.

I've been In the scene for 20+ years, from (and even prior to) the days of when the good old 16 bit Windows "3.1" was around. It (hacking, computing) becomes a part of who you are, an entity embedded somewhere In your Identity, the countless hours spent compromising a system, when 3am Is considered an early night's sleep, when failure Is not an option but more so an existence that's not part of the equation and If I keep posting I'll be here all night.

The activity that was generated years ago on this board Is past tense. Leave It at that. Looking at It from this point forward, without question, In my views Sinisterly Is active. Some may see It otherwise but ultimately It depends on what one's Interpretation of "active" Is. If we all spent as much time creating quality threads as we have posting our for and against arguments In this thread, we'd have a spike In activity already.