[Erudite_temp]

Is it me or does the cards look a bit blurred? Also the lack of proper depth and contrast is a tad annoying. (Well, red and green are good contrasts but not when they are so different in shades.)

Just you
They essentially are the same shades. The red is all the same red, the green has a sligh gradient that's radial because that's how a casino table should look under light. Anywho, by all means you're welcome to show me what you mean, could even send over the PSD and you could show me what you mean

[Paradigm]

Is it me or does the cards look a bit blurred? Also the lack of proper depth and contrast is a tad annoying. (Well, red and green are good contrasts but not when they are so different in shades.)

I thought the cards were blurred but assumed it was because I was on mobile.

[yokai]

Just you

Oh is it really? @4 seems to agree with me. Though I think I know why they appear that way. They have a border of 1px and aren't made on a tilt. (They were probably made straight and then rotated slightly.) That leads Photoshop to try to make up the difference in colors by adding it own soft edges, making it look blurred as a result. Its a common mistake to do for people who aren't used to working with pixels over vectors.

They essentially are the same shades. The red is all the same red, the green has a sligh gradient that's radial because that's how a casino table should look under light. Anywho, by all means you're welcome to show me what you mean, could even send over the PSD and you could show me what you mean

Now that is an awful try to hide an error. "The shades are essentially the same." Bwhaha. Allow me to demonstrate what I mean. I took the lightest green I could find on your userbar, and compared it to the standard red that you have used on the cards. This is the result; 



As you can see, the green and red are on completely different levels in terms of contrast. They are also on different levels in terms of saturation, making the shades almost as different as they can get. So no, the "shades aren't essentially the same". They are the opposite of the same. The red is pure, with a high white balance. The green is a saturated color with a more tilt towards black than white. While red and green are complimentary to each other, then that effect only works if the shades are roughly the same, otherwise it just looks like a plain and bad painting without any focus on colors at all. It results in looking flat. (Which doesn't help the overall lack of depth that there already is.)

Here, I made a quick stock with the same idea as yours; https://i.gyazo.com/d97d58f7059cf51a7806...1e927c.png Though I did try to pay more attention to depth and realism.

[Erudite_temp]

Just you

Oh is it really? @4 seems to agree with me. Though I think I know why they appear that way. They have a border of 1px and aren't made on a tilt. (They were probably made straight and then rotated slightly.) That leads Photoshop to try to make up the difference in colors by adding it own soft edges, making it look blurred as a result. Its a common mistake to do for people who aren't used to working with pixels over vectors.

They essentially are the same shades. The red is all the same red, the green has a sligh gradient that's radial because that's how a casino table should look under light. Anywho, by all means you're welcome to show me what you mean, could even send over the PSD and you could show me what you mean

Now that is an awful try to hide an error. "The shades are essentially the same." Bwhaha. Allow me to demonstrate what I mean. I took the lightest green I could find on your userbar, and compared it to the standard red that you have used on the cards. This is the result; 



As you can see, the green and red are on completely different levels in terms of contrast. They are also on different levels in terms of saturation, making the shades almost as different as they can get. So no, the "shades aren't essentially the same". They are the opposite of the same. The red is pure, with a high white balance. The green is a saturated color with a more tilt towards black than white. While red and green are complimentary to each other, then that effect only works if the shades are roughly the same, otherwise it just looks like a plain and bad painting without any focus on colors at all. It results in looking flat. (Which doesn't help the overall lack of depth that there already is.)

Here, I made a quick stock with the same idea as yours; https://i.gyazo.com/d97d58f7059cf51a7806...1e927c.png Though I did try to pay more attention to depth and realism.

Firstly you have 1 person agreeing with you. Not that I don't respect Paradigm's opinion, but it's you and him that think that, there's no majority vote here. If you think it's fuzzy then you can have your opinion, but didn't you once say that opinions didn't matter.

Secondly, when you said the same shade, I assumed you meant the red's weren't the same, and the green's were. If you had really wanted to give constructive criticism, you would have understood that from when I said "red's are the same, green's have a gradient". Nowhere did I mention that green was the same shade as the red.
Now I love the cute sleuthing you've done with the colour picker, I didn't think anyone as professional as you would have the time to do such a thing.

Not everything needs depth, although you'd like to believe it, I don't intend for this userbar to have much depth. The example you provided is YOUR take on it. Which really isn't that hard to make and quite frankly plain af.

Not that hard, not that special. That came out of my arse, it took less than 10 minutes.

This userbar is MY take on it, I didn't want cool depth, or for it to look real. All I wanted in it was cards, chips and a casino table.

[yokai]

Firstly you have 1 person agreeing with you. Not that I don't respect Paradigm's opinion, but it's you and him that think that, there's no majority vote here. If you think it's fuzzy then you can have your opinion, but didn't you once say that opinions didn't matter.

Secondly, when you said the same shade, I assumed you meant the red's weren't the same, and the green's were. If you had really wanted to give constructive criticism, you would have understood that from when I said "red's are the same, green's have a gradient". Nowhere did I mention that green was the same shade as the red.
Now I love the cute sleuthing you've done with the colour picker, I didn't think anyone as professional as you would have the time to do such a thing.

Not everything needs depth, although you'd like to believe it, I don't intend for this userbar to have much depth.  The example you provided is YOUR take on it. Which really isn't that hard to make and quite frankly plain af.

Not that hard, not that special. That came out of my arse, it took less than 10 minutes.

This userbar is MY take on it, I didn't want cool depth, or for it to look real. All I wanted in it was cards, chips and a casino table.

Wowch, you've really been on the "high horse" for too long it seems. (Because I do not believe you were this bad at taking feedback in the past.) So let me correct you. (Again.)

"Firstly" as you put it. My opinion is not what is in question here, the fact that you deny a proven fact is however. The cards, no matter how you try to twist and bend on it, are blurred or at least appear to be so. That is because Photoshop is trying to make up for the lost pixels by making them soft instead of sharp. A common mistake to do in Photoshop when rotating shapes. (As said earlier.) If there are one or thousand of people agreeing with me doesn't matter, but the fact that you claimed that "it is only" you were my reason for pointing out Para's comment. (Meaning your original statement was wrong as it isn't only me that see it.) Also for the record, so far not a single soul on here have agreed with you, so the standing is; "2v1" right now. Which is the majority of people who have commented on this specific point. (Also, not saying anything about it isn't the same as agreeing with you.)

"Secondly" you are either lying, tired or stupid. "I assumed" has to be the oldest excuse in the book for making a mistake, I said and I quote;

Well, red and green are good contrasts but not when they are so different in shades.

This specifically points out that I am talking about both colors, not just one or the other, but both. Hence, I was talking about the difference in the shades of the two colors, there is no other way to take it or to word it for me to convey it better. I pointed out I was talking about the colors, the contrast of them (being complimentary to each other and everything) and I talked about the difference in shade on them. I even used the word "they" when talking about shades. Also, step down from your high horse before you make a fool of yourself here. "If you wanted to give constructive feedback", if I wanted? I did give it, you just tried to cover up your mistakes with either excuse or lies rather than taking it and improving on it. Also, no need to be spiteful simply because you seem to believe that you know exactly how I view myself. (That or being spiteful for the sake of it) The fact that I checked your colors isn't something unique to you, I've already done more research into the work of other artists on this site than I have done in yours.

I only did it to show my point, lack of proper contrast. (A rookie mistake sure, but one that even the most talented artist does from time to time.) Yes, it is your take on it, I never said otherwise. I said that it lacked proper depth, as you have tried to mimic depth but failed horribly at it. (It looks like a 2D sticker with a stock pasted on it.) Don't dare say you didn't try to use depth, because you clearly have done so. Using both shadows and highlights all over the design. Now, my take on it provided depth to it and I never claimed it was hard to do, now did I? Stop being spiteful again. I made that to demonstrate my point rather than trying to explain it, it is often easier to get the message across that way. (And for the record, I made that in roughly 3 min, using resources I already had laying around.)

Also, no not everything needs depth. Microsoft's "Modern" design proves that. However, you decided to make a UB that mimics the table of a poker game and the cards, as well as the chips. You tried to make depth, or you did it accidentally. The fact here is that the userbar you provided has some depth to it, although a very poorly made one.  Hence why I stated the following; (again I quote.)

The lack of proper depth and contrast is a tad annoying.

Now get off that damned horse of yours and fix that awful try at depth you did in the UB that started this thread.

[Erudite_temp]

Firstly you have 1 person agreeing with you. Not that I don't respect Paradigm's opinion, but it's you and him that think that, there's no majority vote here. If you think it's fuzzy then you can have your opinion, but didn't you once say that opinions didn't matter.

Secondly, when you said the same shade, I assumed you meant the red's weren't the same, and the green's were. If you had really wanted to give constructive criticism, you would have understood that from when I said "red's are the same, green's have a gradient". Nowhere did I mention that green was the same shade as the red.
Now I love the cute sleuthing you've done with the colour picker, I didn't think anyone as professional as you would have the time to do such a thing.

Not everything needs depth, although you'd like to believe it, I don't intend for this userbar to have much depth.  The example you provided is YOUR take on it. Which really isn't that hard to make and quite frankly plain af.

Not that hard, not that special. That came out of my arse, it took less than 10 minutes.

This userbar is MY take on it, I didn't want cool depth, or for it to look real. All I wanted in it was cards, chips and a casino table.

Wowch, you've really been on the "high horse" for too long it seems. (Because I do not believe you were this bad at taking feedback in the past.) So let me correct you. (Again.)

"Firstly" as you put it. My opinion is not what is in question here, the fact that you deny a proven fact is however. The cards, no matter how you try to twist and bend on it, are blurred or at least appear to be so. That is because Photoshop is trying to make up for the lost pixels by making them soft instead of sharp. A common mistake to do in Photoshop when rotating shapes. (As said earlier.) If there are one or thousand of people agreeing with me doesn't matter, but the fact that you claimed that "it is only" you were my reason for pointing out Para's comment. (Meaning your original statement was wrong as it isn't only me that see it.) Also for the record, so far not a single soul on here have agreed with you, so the standing is; "2v1" right now. Which is the majority of people who have commented on this specific point. (Also, not saying anything about it isn't the same as agreeing with you.)

"Secondly" you are either lying, tired or stupid. "I assumed" has to be the oldest excuse in the book for making a mistake, I said and I quote;

Well, red and green are good contrasts but not when they are so different in shades.

This specifically points out that I am talking about both colors, not just one or the other, but both. Hence, I was talking about the difference in the shades of the two colors, there is no other way to take it or to word it for me to convey it better. I pointed out I was talking about the colors, the contrast of them (being complimentary to each other and everything) and I talked about the difference in shade on them. I even used the word "they" when talking about shades. Also, step down from your high horse before you make a fool of yourself here. "If you wanted to give constructive feedback", if I wanted? I did give it, you just tried to cover up your mistakes with either excuse or lies rather than taking it and improving on it. Also, no need to be spiteful simply because you seem to believe that you know exactly how I view myself. (That or being spiteful for the sake of it) The fact that I checked your colors isn't something unique to you, I've already done more research into the work of other artists on this site than I have done in yours.

I only did it to show my point, lack of proper contrast. (A rookie mistake sure, but one that even the most talented artist does from time to time.) Yes, it is your take on it, I never said otherwise. I said that it lacked proper depth, as you have tried to mimic depth but failed horribly at it. (It looks like a 2D sticker with a stock pasted on it.) Don't dare say you didn't try to use depth, because you clearly have done so. Using both shadows and highlights all over the design. Now, my take on it provided depth to it and I never claimed it was hard to do, now did I? Stop being spiteful again. I made that to demonstrate my point rather than trying to explain it, it is often easier to get the message across that way. (And for the record, I made that in roughly 3 min, using resources I already had laying around.)

Also, no not everything needs depth. Microsoft's "Modern" design proves that. However, you decided to make a UB that mimics the table of a poker game and the cards, as well as the chips. You tried to make depth, or you did it accidentally. The fact here is that the userbar you provided has some depth to it, although a very poorly made one.  Hence why I stated the following; (again I quote.)

The lack of proper depth and contrast is a tad annoying.

Now get off that damned horse of yours and fix that awful try at depth you did in the UB that started this thread.

My high horse? Are you kidding me? I'm happy to accept feedback from everybody, but when it's presented in the way you present feedback, I wonder if it's actually worthwhile reading any of it. Everyone has good feedback and generally I adjust my work using that feedback, folks at HF gave me some good feedback, another friend suggested some stuff, and I'm currently reworking my userbar on his ideas because he suggested it. You're the only one on a high horse here. Come on, you didn't think I'd look back at your designs. You argue almost every piece of feedback given to you, you even argued that criticism and opinion were different and that opinion was worthless. You basically argued that you didn't give a shit about what people had to think because it was useless. How's that ivory tower looking now Crovus. Nice view up there? Because from down here, I respect people's opinions and I do actually make changed based on them. Its just that the way you present you're criticism makes you seem like someone who is narcissistic, takes any opportunity to rip on other people as much as you can, and a hypocrite. You hate the fact that regardless of what the world looks like to you in your ivory tower, people still give you criticism that you don't like, and if you don't like it then you will argue til the other party just can't be bothered anymore. I just dong see why i should listen or respect you or anything you say with your attitude, if anyone should be brought down from their high horse it should be you. I tried to tolerate you, I really tried but I can't stand the way you talk to people. And nor can a lot of people here, and that's because you have the personality of a narcissistic teenager who throws a tantrum as soon as they don't get what you want.

I'm sure you are a wonderful designer when it comes to other areas, I have no doubts you can design a splendid logo or banner, and I'm sure your criticism can be found useful to people that can tolerate you. I'm sure there is value in some of what you say, but the way you present your opinions makes people view you as what I described above. Just thought you should know.

[yokai]

But when it's presented in the way you present feedback, I wonder if it's actually worthwhile reading any of it.

You had no complaints when I complimented your work earlier. So that is invalid. As both that and this is worded the same way. Oh right, I forgot. One of them complimented you and one of them pointed out the things you failed at. Right...

You're the only one on a high horse here. Come on, you didn't think I'd look back at your designs.

Do that and bury your own side of this cause, and admit that you are being childish. We are discussing your work here, not the works of everyone else and most certainly not mine. A fact is a fact, my work could be the worst on this earth but it wouldn't change that fact. You can hate me as much as you want, disagree with me as much you want or make as many excuses as you want to cover your ego. It won't change a thing. Whenever or not it was on accident, the UB that started this thread has a poor attempt at depth, one that equals a beginner level artist. It is even worse that you said that you don't want depth in it, while it has depth, just a very poor version of it.  

You argue almost every piece of feedback given to you, you even argued that criticism and opinion were different and that opinion was worthless.

You seem to have a one-sided view on the case, not surprising as you are trying to cover your ego here. Of course, feedback is worthless when it is directly invalid. If someone say something along these lines; "I like it, but maybe the brown'ish color could be a dark green instead?" Then I look it up and the so called "brown'ish color" is green, then said feedback is worthless because it is invalid. Then I normally tell them that it already is green and as them to elaborate on their feedback a bit more, so they can explain why they said that better. (Maybe they come to the conclusion that they wanted it to a different shade of green for example.)  That is how feedback is done in a professional setting, as well as a educational setting. It is worth talking about all feedback, to get the best possible feedback.

You basically argued that you didn't give a shit about what people had to think because it was useless.

You are so far from the point that I doubt you can get any further. For starters, ever since I was young, I never really cared for the opinions of others about my person. However, I have always had a keen interest in how others view the world around them and I have a keen interest in understanding that. So when someone give me their opinion, I ask about it and force them to explain why they have said opinion. If they cannot do that (and most can) then their opinion isn't thought about and they don't really think too deeply about it. Such interest don't interest me. (That or if someone give me feedback that is directly "bad" on a general basis. A example would be if someone said I should use pure and strong colors on every element on a web design.) So no, I do not find the opinions of others useless and I do take them into consideration. Then again, this isn't  the point of this thread, as we are going off-topic.

I'd gladly explain this further to you, so that you can understand it. Though I severely doubt that someone of the "newer generation" of artists would understand it. Considering the fact that their memo could just as well be; "my ego before all opinions of others".

Because from down here, I respect people's opinions and I do actually make changed based on them.

So far you have only "respected" the opinions that go your way. That or from a friend. Hence, you do not care for the opinions of strangers, a trait which is awful for a artist that seeks new horizons.

Its just that the way you present you're criticism makes you seem like someone who is narcissistic, takes any opportunity to rip on other people as much as you can, and a hypocrite.

Whatever you call honesty to feel better. The fact remains, I am being honest, which is the best and quickest way to improve for those that can handle it. For those that can't, well they normally go and argue about facts to cover their ego. As I explained over, I have never said that someone's opinion is wrong. I have said that their view on a fact is wrong however, because the fact prove them wrong. (Nothing wrong in that though.) An opinion cannot be wrong or right, that is a given fact and I have stated that already. However, the fact here is that your denying a proven fact because you are trying to save skin. I say that because you are trying to put the focus of this debate (which is about YOUR design) over on me to save your own ego.

We are discussing YOUR work here, not me as a human being. Then again, as I said, you are tying to save skin. So when you are done acting like a 4 year old, let's go back to the topic on hand which is your work and that awful attempt on depth. (Until then I will enjoy as you bury your own point for me, saving me some work.)

You hate the fact that regardless of what the world looks like to you in your ivory tower, people still give you criticism that you don't like, and if you don't like it then you will argue til the other party just can't be bothered anymore.

So you are a mind reader now? Can you tell me what I plan to have for dinner tomorrow too? (Seriously, I am curios because you just claimed to know exactly what I am thinking about regarding this topic.) No, I do not hate that. In-fact I do not directly hate anyone or anything, I don't like to waste time on it. (Okay, I might hate fish. Shush.) As explained above, I "argue" the opinions of others because I want them to give their reasons behind it. (Actually, this is the reason I argue right now). I do that because I am more interested in the person behind the opinion, rather than the opinion. Art and design is a form of speech that govern emotions and thoughts.

Hence, knowing people better is a good way to know how to "hit them the right way" with a artwork or a design. I haven't outright stated that the opinion of someone else is wrong, now have I? I have stated that if facts prove them wrong, then their opinion doesn't matter in the real world. (If your opinion is that the sky is rainbow colored, then in all honesty, that doesn't matter in the real world.) You are also mistaken on another thing. I do like criticism, because I do love change more than most things. I love improvement and seeing it in others and myself, I have done that since I was about 9 years old. (Which is also when I stopped "throwing tantrums" as you stated.)

I just dong see why i should listen or respect you or anything you say with your attitude, if anyone should be brought down from their high horse it should be you.

You shouldn't respect it, nor should like it. It is the truth, and the truth isn't always liked by everyone. It doesn't demand respect, it just is. Also, before you make another smart remark that I "on my high horse". I'd like to notify you that I am regarded by friends, family and some doctors to be near incapable of thinking about myself first in the majority of cases. I  fear death, because I do not want to hurt others. I fear failure because I do not want to be a burden to others. I fear a lot of things, none because of myself. I do not care for my own life, nor my own opinions, I care for the lives and opinions of those around me which is why (as I stated above) I am so interest in the people behind opinions.

Though I'll say this, I do not care if you hate me or want me gone from everywhere. I'll still offer my view, and help if that is needed, to you or anyone that ask.

I tried to tolerate you, I really tried but I can't stand the way you talk to people.

If you cannot tolerate the truth when it is laid out infront of you, then you might have a problem. Newsflash, the world is a horrible place.

And nor can a lot of people here.

So you are talking on the behalf of everyone here then? (Or at least "a lot".) That or (more likely this) are you just taking that upon yourself because you think you are so capable of reading people that you can tell exactly what they are thinking. I have stated earlier and I have stated since I started interacting with others online. I do not care if you hate me, despise me, want me dead or anything else really. If you tell me to die, I will thank you, if tell me you love me, I will thank you. Because at least you are being honest with me, which is all I ask for. Though do not take that chance from others by talking on their behalf without their consent. Only idiots or children does that.

Don't get what you want.

My life has been like that, nothing went as I planned nor did I go all that well. That is the truth to it, it is horrible, but it is the truth. (Because at least one of us can tolerate it, right?) That led me to not expect things to go my way. In-fact, no matter what I do I plan that the worst possible scenario will happen. (If I am wrong, I get a surprise, if I am right I don't get my hopes up.) So no, I am not upset that I don't get it my way. That is yet again, wrong I am afraid. 

I'm sure you are a wonderful designer when it comes to other areas, I have no doubts you can design a splendid logo or banner,  and I'm sure your criticism can be found useful to people that can tolerate you. I'm sure there is value in some of what you say, but the way you present your opinions makes people view you as what I described above. Just thought you should know.

Now you are just taking it from the book. Ending with a positive note, right? The basic form of "I am actually a fair and good guy" despite the fact that you have just spent several posts slinging negative and spiteful comments towards me for no other reason than the fact that I was being honest with my own opinion and a fact. You decided to be spiteful, and go as far as to ruin it for others just to cover your own ego. For once, can you just be honest about the case? Instead of trying to make others think better of you? Honesty is so much better. You are of the newer generation artist, that is painfully obvious, that or you have been affected by them. If you take 7-9 years back in time and look at GFX sites then, my feedback would be considered "too kind". However, while it is harsh because it is the truth, it is also the most effective.

It is effective because it is the truth, if you cannot "tolerate" that then you have no hope to grow as an artist.

[Theós]

I confirm that the card's are indeed blurry, the top portion specifically. Crovus mentioned this.

Now onto the design. It has potential.

The "chips" look like rectangles with extremely consistent pattern. Maybe something organic?

I have so much more feedback but...there's so much. I'm so lazy right now.

I know you are escaping your comfort zone and it's new, but how did none of your skills transfer :O

On your old ubs, you had depth, good lighting, unique shapes, and right amount of shadows.

Making other styles is no different. You just have to be creative with your tools, and draw different shapes other than abstract techy stuff.

[Erudite_temp]

I confirm that the card's are indeed blurry, the top portion specifically. Crovus mentioned this.

Now onto the design. It has potential.

The "chips" look like rectangles with extremely consistent pattern. Maybe something organic?

I have so much more feedback but...there's so much. I'm so lazy right now.

I know you are escaping your comfort zone and it's new, but how did none of your skills transfer :O

On your old ubs, you had depth, good lighting, unique shapes, and right amount of shadows.

Making other styles is no different. You just have to be creative with your tools, and draw different shapes other than abstract techy stuff.

Duly noted. It's difficult though because for me it's not that easy. It's not like doing what I did before, where I used glowing lines and grey shapes. That was easy because that's what I started my UB "career". That's what my designs have been forever. Moving from that is much more difficult than I originally thought it would be, because it's nothing like what I've done before. There's no easy skill transfer, it's not like upgrading windows where all the files stay where they are. For me it's like a fresh start. I just have to keep practising.

[yokai]

Duly noted. It's difficult though because for me it's not that easy. It's not like doing what I did before, where I used glowing lines and grey shapes. That was easy because that's what I started my UB "career". That's what my designs have been forever. Moving from that is much more difficult than I originally thought it would be, because it's nothing like what I've done before. There's no easy skill transfer, it's not like upgrading windows where all the files stay where they are. For me it's like a fresh start. I just have to keep practising.

You seem to be under the impression that "art" is simply about the skill behind it. Art is a speech, and therefor we refer to it as a "art" that isn't always learned nor about skill. Creativity, will and emotion form art, and design is influence by this idea. As I've stated in the past, you are only really capable of doing the same style, and do note that I did congratulate you for trying something new earlier. That being said, because you've done the same thing over and over again, you've lost that "ember" of creativity and while I cannot say if you have the will do make something different, I can say that you seem to lack the emotion behind it.

If you want my advice (which I doubt that you do, despite the fact that you will say that you want it, or in this case say that you don't) then stop doing UBs for awhile. Work on other elements to further your creativity in other ways. Photo-Manipulation, Web-Design and other things. A good artist is capable of using many styles, in many different types of work and is capable of taking the best of each of those talents and combine then into "true art".