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RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine #31
(03-16-2022, 12:23 PM)Dismas Wrote:
(03-09-2022, 01:04 AM)imgr8ness Wrote:
(03-09-2022, 12:47 AM)STiCKs Wrote: You do realize Russia is spreading misinformation on the war. So for you to throw around his speeches as actually fact makes you a sheep.

Misinformation is not limited to Russia. If you are aware of misinformation being a tool then you must also realize ALL countries engage in this tactic.

As far as my reference to Putin's speeches, it was limited to simply observing that he is an intelligent man, I made no reference to the veracity of his speech content.

It seems as though you read my comment and interpreted it incorrectly, most likely due to your fervent anti-Russia stance.

It's simply in poor taste to even play devil's advocate here. There's definitely misinformation, but they're just attacking civilians. Casualties are always a given when it comes to conflict, but they aren't actually targeting military threats. It's one thing to be edgy, but you're advocating war crimes at this point.

'...you're advocating war crimes at this point.'

It appears you've drawn a baseless conclusion from my statement, I strongly disagree with your accusation that I'm advocating war crimes.

I simply made the point that you can't believe the media, as from what I observed in comments online, people were all too ready to believe anything written about Russia without hesitation.

I can understand to a point since seeing pictures of bombing aftermath can stoke your emotions however, emotional manipulation is exactly why propaganda can be very effective.

Bottom line is, none of us can know with certainty that the pictures or video we're seeing is legitimate. If you've had more than a cursory glance online, you'll see a number of high profile stories about debunked footage or photos about this war.

The only thing we know for certain is that Russia invaded Ukraine, everything else is prone to fabrication in one way or another.

Let me ask you a question, would you go to the RT News site, read the reports there and believe what you read? I'm going to assume the answer is no, since you are clearly anti-Russian. And most likely you wouldn't believe what they write because it would be in their interests to lie about the war and paint Ukraine in a bad light, yes?

Then why would you believe western media unconditionally? It also would be in their interests to lie about the war and cast Russia in the worst light possible, just at Russia would about Ukraine.

The story from the UN site you posted is very telling and is a great example of the point I'm making. From the story...

"Civilians are being killed and maimed in what appear to be indiscriminate attacks..."

In short, they don't know if the attacks were deliberate or accidental. If they don't know that, then they also don't know who did it. The possibilities are:
1 - Russia deliberately targets and bombs defenceless civilians (my opinion: highly unlikely). Whether you like to admit it or not, Russians are people too.
2 - Russia accidentally hits civilians during exchange of fire (my opinion: highly likely). However, the point I need to make here is that Ukraine military is equally responsible in this circumstance because they are placing themselves amongst civilians while engaging with Russia. This is an old tactic that has been used many times over in wars, its not supposed to be used but in reality it is.

Have you asked yourself why would a military with a finite amount of resources that are trying to achieve an objective to dominate an opposing military force, waste their time and resources on areas which do not contribute to that outcome?

In other words, if there is bombing or shelling in civilian areas then quite simply, there must be Ukrainian military operating in those areas.

That being the case, you would have to also hold Ukraine partially responsible for their own civilians being killed.

Just to make it crystal clear for you, I rarely give my undying and unconditional support to anything, so you can be assured that I am not pro-Russian and certainly not pro-Ukraine.

I am simply a person that values truth and knows that the world is full of people that lie about or conceal the truth for a variety of reasons. My advice to you is not to let your emotions dictate what you believe to be true.

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Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Dismas - 02-24-2022, 03:09 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Boudica - 02-24-2022, 03:59 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Heatman - 02-24-2022, 05:33 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Num5kull - 02-24-2022, 06:21 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by billyferg - 03-04-2022, 09:00 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by imgr8ness - 03-05-2022, 09:51 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Boudica - 02-25-2022, 08:06 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by billyferg - 02-26-2022, 04:27 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Geofront - 02-25-2022, 01:37 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Dismas - 02-27-2022, 12:46 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by elwoodb - 02-27-2022, 11:10 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Boudica - 02-27-2022, 01:18 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by imgr8ness - 03-03-2022, 10:59 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by STiCKs - 03-09-2022, 12:47 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by imgr8ness - 03-09-2022, 01:04 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Dismas - 03-04-2022, 06:41 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by imgr8ness - 03-06-2022, 08:12 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Dismas - 03-06-2022, 03:24 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by imgr8ness - 03-07-2022, 12:33 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Boudica - 03-04-2022, 08:27 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Num5kull - 03-05-2022, 07:48 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Boudica - 03-06-2022, 09:38 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Volxu - 03-06-2022, 04:03 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Boudica - 03-07-2022, 07:55 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by imgr8ness - 03-08-2022, 12:40 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Num5kull - 03-07-2022, 06:59 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Boudica - 03-08-2022, 04:27 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by imgr8ness - 03-09-2022, 12:41 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Dismas - 03-16-2022, 12:23 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by imgr8ness - 03-18-2022, 12:33 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Silver44 - 03-16-2022, 02:54 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Dismas - 03-18-2022, 01:39 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by imgr8ness - 03-18-2022, 03:57 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Boudica - 03-18-2022, 06:46 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by imgr8ness - 03-18-2022, 07:07 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Boudica - 03-19-2022, 08:37 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by imgr8ness - 03-24-2022, 12:26 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by theWilled - 03-23-2022, 04:48 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by ConcernedCitizen - 03-24-2022, 12:31 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by imgr8ness - 03-24-2022, 12:59 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Dismas - 03-24-2022, 01:02 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by imgr8ness - 03-24-2022, 01:10 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by ConcernedCitizen - 03-24-2022, 01:32 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Boudica - 03-25-2022, 09:06 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by WouldsOtton - 03-28-2022, 11:31 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by scargo - 04-05-2022, 03:16 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by smithlinda1502 - 06-21-2022, 08:38 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by botgros - 08-11-2022, 11:50 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Norman56 - 08-11-2022, 01:04 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by VanillaMix - 08-24-2022, 08:13 AM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by Larkas - 09-01-2022, 05:49 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by daddyk - 09-14-2022, 09:36 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by anone509 - 09-20-2022, 05:55 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by JamesDon - 10-08-2022, 07:23 PM
RE: Russia Attacks Ukraine - by wtf3421 - 10-09-2022, 07:02 PM



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