[xevenofhearts]

It's legal now, what do y'all think?

Personally, it's about liberty. Here in America we should promote liberty in general. Too many people are caught up with us simply legalizing gay marriage, but nothing else. What about marijuana? If you're permitted to drink and smoke, should you not be permitted to smoke marijuana? Not only that, shouldn't citizens be able to purchase their own firearms with minimal government intervention? Liberty does not stop at social issues; liberty should never stop. You should be permitted to be married to one of your own gender, just as much as you should be able to freely express Christian or Islamic or Buddhist religious beliefs in public. We are not to promote some liberty, but not others.

[Dismas]

I think it's being made into too big of a deal. It's been all over Facebook and the news covered it all morning. As for liberty in general, I'm definitely in favor.

[Crypt]

Gays are fine to me, I really don't give a shit, the problem is that gay rights movements are counterproductive. There are so many more important things you could be protesting about, but no, lets make america a shitty place and allow flamboyant aids-breeding faggots to roam the streets in herds.

[mothered]

Personally, I believe It comes down to an "each to their own" scenario.

Same sex marriage (In both genders) Is somewhat frowned upon In today's day and age, and has been for as long as I can recall. Provided they're happily married, then be It as It may. It's their business and as long as It has no direct or Indirect negative Impact In any way, shape or form on anyone or any entity, then all the very best to them.

[Dyme]

I think it's being made into too big of a deal. It's been all over Facebook and the news covered it all morning. As for liberty in general, I'm definitely in favor.

Omg Oni stop being such a conservative texan!!! What else are facebook and morning news supposed to cover if not a monumental supreme court ruling? I would prefer they cover this than what is usually discussed on facebook and morning shows...

IMO it's a HUGE deal that the supreme court ruled in favor of gay marriage. This is perhaps the greatest single civil liberties ruling in decades. As a libertarian you should be proud!

Personally, it's about liberty. Here in America we should promote liberty in general. Too many people are caught up with us simply legalizing gay marriage, but nothing else. What about marijuana? If you're permitted to drink and smoke, should you not be permitted to smoke marijuana? Not only that, shouldn't citizens be able to purchase their own firearms with minimal government intervention? Liberty does not stop at social issues; liberty should never stop. You should be permitted to be married to one of your own gender, just as much as you should be able to freely express Christian or Islamic or Buddhist religious beliefs in public. We are not to promote some liberty, but not others.

It was hard enough to get gay marriage, something so socially acceptable today, to become legal on a federal level. Yes progress still needs to be made in regards to individual liberties, but baby steps need to be taken. It takes years for social acceptance to come, and even longer for legislative change to follow. Also fuck outta here with that "omg its so hard to buy a gun now" shit... go to any firearms convention and you can pickup a semi auto assault rifle without a background check.

I know this may be hard to believe coming from me, a socialist progressive, so I'll see if a report from the U.S. Department of Justice can persuade you: https://oig.justice.gov/reports/ATF/e1101.pdf

Individuals who buy guns from an unlicensed private seller in a “secondary market venue” (such as gun shows, flea markets, and Internet sites) are exempt from the requirements of federal law to show identification, complete the Form 4473, and undergo a National Instant Criminal Background Check System check. Therefore, according to ATF and other Department officials we interviewed, individuals prohibited by law from possessing guns can easily obtain them from private sellers and do so without any federal records of the transactions.

Background checks are a good example of exactly what I'm talking about. There is overwhelming public support for background checks to be enforced during gun purchases (unless you deem Politifact as liberal propaganda!!!!), however the federal government and many state legislators have not done anything to enforce them. Just because it has public support/social acceptance doesn't mean the government will do shit, at least for the time being.

[roger_smith]

Omg Oni stop being such a conservative texan!!! What else are facebook and morning news supposed to cover if not a monumental supreme court ruling?

IMO its a HUGE deal that the supreme court ruled in favor of gay marriage. This is perhaps the greatest single civil liberties ruling in decades. As a libertarian you should be proud!


It was hard enough to get gay marriage, something so socially acceptable today, to become legal on a federal level. Yes progress still needs to be made in regards to individual liberties, but baby steps need to be taken. It takes years for social acceptance to come, and even longer for legislative change to follow. Also fuck outta here with that "omg its so hard to buy a gun now" shit... go to any firearms convention and you can pickup a semi auto assault rifle without a background check.

Background checks are a good example of exactly what I'm talking about. There is overwhelming public support for background checks to be enforced during gun purchases (unless you deem Politifact as liberal propaganda!!!!), however the federal government and many state legislators have not done anything to enforce them. Just because it has public support/social acceptance doesn't mean the government will do shit, at least for the time being.

I agree with most of what you said except:

says "semi auto assault rifle" and expects to be taken seriously on a firearms topic.

By definition semi auto can't be an assault weapon. The media has warped the definition of an "assault" weapon to include rifles that have scary black plastic parts, because that some how magically makes them more dangerous.

Otherwise I think favorably of what you've said.


I don't want to derail this thread to much from the subject of gay marriage in the US. Personally I think this is a great event and a very historic time. I look forward to telling those in the future where I was the day I learned of the ruling. Basic human civil rights should not depend on your sexuality, skin color, ability/disability, etc.

A historic event, a great day for freedom lovers. The US is now the 21st country to legalize same sex marriage.

[Dyme]

I agree with most of what you said except:

says "semi auto assault rifle" and expects to be taken seriously on a firearms topic.

By definition semi auto can't be an assault weapon. The media has warped the definition of an "assault" weapon to include rifles that have scary black plastic parts, because that some how magically makes them more dangerous.

Otherwise I think favorably of what you've said.

Read updated post with DoJ link/quote. I'm glad you got stuck on my wording rather than content, though. You are correct however, but I still do think an AR-15 is a bit more dangerous and deadly than your average 9mm pistol.

And don't get me wrong... I'm not hellbent on restricting the types of firearms that Americans can buy. I am simply refuting the claim that it is "hard to buy firearms in america" or that "less government intervention is needed in the sales of firearms".

[Saikou]

"Apparently the slippery slope is actually a cliff, and we've just jumped off it."

INCESTUOUS MARRIAGE IS NOW LEGAL:
pt. 1 http://i.imgur.com/HyekEb3.png
pt. 2 http://i.imgur.com/d8BSEEo.png
pt. 3 http://i.imgur.com/ZUBARoc.png
pt. 4 http://i.imgur.com/nbYPgqe.png
pt. 5 http://i.imgur.com/EacWsb4.png
pt. 6 http://i.imgur.com/ZCDmpMz.png

Full text of Obergefell ruling:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/ga...19463.html

[xevenofhearts]

@Dyme , don't tell anyone to be so happy about this ruling, because we're Libertarians or something, then go on to tell us that gun restrictions need not to be raised to a certain extent. And I'm glad I didn't have to call you out on the semi-auto assault rifle bullshit, at least it gave me a good laugh. (Your favorite reporters on CNN and MSNBC telling you that you need background checks, thankfully, doesn't mean that it has "public support")

@Saikou I encourage anybody reading what you just posted to also read the context of the underlined text, by the way.

But may I ask, exactly what you're trying to get at with that post? The notion that incestuous marriage is now legal, by way of the wording of those excerpts, seems possible, but later on the text finally starts to mention same-sex marriage specifically, not just the broad right to marry anyone that you love. This is exactly the slippery slope that people refer to. If 50 years ago, gay marriage and gay relationships were so frowned upon, (just as much as, say, incest, in 2015), then don't folks think it completely possible that in another 50, #LoveWins again in a monumental supreme court ruling that states a daughter can marry her father?

[roger_smith]

@Dyme , don't tell anyone to be so happy about this ruling, because we're Libertarians or something, then go on to tell us that gun restrictions need not to be raised to a certain extent. And I'm glad I didn't have to call you out on the semi-auto assault rifle bullshit, at least it gave me a good laugh. (Your favorite reporters on CNN and MSNBC telling you that you need background checks, thankfully, doesn't mean that it has "public support")

@Saikou I encourage anybody reading what you just posted to also read the context of the underlined text, by the way.

But may I ask, exactly what you're trying to get at with that post? The notion that incestuous marriage is now legal, by way of the wording of those excerpts, seems possible, but later on the text finally starts to mention same-sex marriage specifically, not just the broad right to marry anyone that you love. This is exactly the slippery slope that people refer to. If 50 years ago, gay marriage and gay relationships were so frowned upon, (just as much as, say, incest, in 2015), then don't folks think it completely possible that in another 50, #LoveWins again in a monumental supreme court ruling that states a daughter can marry her father?

Up until Friday's ruling it was already legal in more states to marry a first cousin than it was for 2 members of the same sex to marry