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Russia, US, Syria - Earth - 10-13-2015
So there is a bunch of things going around on how Russia started air strikes in Syria and the US claims they are not hitting ISIS targets but instead are hitting rebels who are against ISIS.
What do you think Russia is really there for?
I think they are there to piss the US off which they seem to be doing good at right now.
On top of that do you think in your opinion that further conflict will occur and that possibly US/Russia will exchange any fire?.
RE: Russia, US, Syria - dotcppfile - 10-13-2015
Russia is there to fuck ISIS up, there's no questions asked but that isn't something it gives a single fuck about lol, there's probably few deals going on between Syria And Russia but, again, this isn't what matters the most here. The thing is that the conflict between Russia and USA is years old and the reasons are public, and what's currently happening can't get anymore hilarious, what Russia has done within the last few weeks compared to what the US and its "Allies" have done is making these ones look like a fucking joke and is revealing the truths behind these stupid lies that we've been hearing for the past 4 years.
RE: Russia, US, Syria - The Real Slim Shady - 10-14-2015
It's simply a matter of Terminology
Anyone that isn't Pro-Assad is a 'rebel'. This means ISIS, FSA, and whoever else is involved. Russia is there to crack down on rebels. They are Pro-Assad. They have been providing Assad weapons and shit since the start of the conflict.
The US is there to rid Syria of it's Government, It's backing a subset of the rebels trying to rid Syria of Assad. Only problem is that they disagree with ISIS as well - so they're now fighting some rebels and the government... making the whole thing a big cluster fuck that they ultimately cannot "win". Russia can potentially "win" by successfully putting Assad back into complete control of the Syrian region. There is a clear combatant and a clear winner. The US doesn't know who they want in control, but they don't want Assad and they don't want ISIS.
This is just another proxy conflict between the US and Russia to add to the very long list:
Chinese Civil War
Iran Civil War
Korean War
Cuban Revolution
Vietnam War
Are just the major ones you've probably heard of. Theres a much longer list of smaller conflicts.
RE: Russia, US, Syria - m0dem - 10-14-2015
My opinion is: Get rid of the worst of them, and keep the best of them. Then help improve the best of them.
The US has lied (or assumed) about Syria before. Like the chemical weapon usage "from Assad" about a year back.
I don't know too much about the situation, so I don't want to say things that I don't know are true. But I will say, how much worse is Russia than the US? And if they are getting things done, let them.
Summary: the Middle East is one big mess.
RE: Russia, US, Syria - dotcppfile - 10-14-2015
(10-14-2015, 12:32 AM)The Real Slim Shady Wrote: It's simply a matter of Terminology
Anyone that isn't Pro-Assad is a 'rebel'. This means ISIS, FSA, and whoever else is involved. Russia is there to crack down on rebels. They are Pro-Assad. They have been providing Assad weapons and shit since the start of the conflict.
The US is there to rid Syria of it's Government, It's backing a subset of the rebels trying to rid Syria of Assad. Only problem is that they disagree with ISIS as well - so they're now fighting some rebels and the government... making the whole thing a big cluster fuck that they ultimately cannot "win". Russia can potentially "win" by successfully putting Assad back into complete control of the Syrian region. There is a clear combatant and a clear winner. The US doesn't know who they want in control, but they don't want Assad and they don't want ISIS.
This is just another proxy conflict between the US and Russia to add to the very long list:
Chinese Civil War
Iran Civil War
Korean War
Cuban Revolution
Vietnam War
Are just the major ones you've probably heard of. There's a much longer list of smaller conflicts.
I totally agree, and here's something that I like to add to this discussion:
See, the thing is that even though Russia has been supporting Assad since the beginning of all this, there's a lot of weird shit going on; everyone has been saying that 90% of the Russian airstrikes aren't really hitting ISIS rebels and then this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3270466/Saudi-Arabian-clerics-declare-jihad-against-Assad-Putin-s-forces-urging-Sunni-Muslims-join-rebels-shortly-rockets-fired-Russian-embassy-Syria.html which isn't something you can ignore and and isn't something they cane fake much since there's more than 50 clerics and academics onto it, now why would they do so if 90% of the Russian airstrikes aren't really harming ISIS?
But then you see this: http://www.voanews.com/content/eu-russian-action-in-syria-a-game-changer/3002130.html where the US is "publicly" arming the rebels "like crazy" because of this Russian intrusion, why though? Is the US trying to balance things up, since its been doing so for the past 3 years, or is it and Russia faking it all? If it's true that 90% of the Russian airstrikes aren't hitting ISIS rebels then these mother fuckers are just fine and, thanks to the US, got 50 tons of free munition...
Is the US and Russia taking down the Assad regime? Is Russia trying to save it? Are they both doing anything at all? It's the usual playground; we know shit of what's going on and it's fucking sad really.
RE: Russia, US, Syria - Earth - 10-14-2015
(10-14-2015, 12:58 AM)m0dem Wrote: Summary: the Middle East is one big mess.
That pretty much describes everything.
But the wold world is one big mess too.
RE: Russia, US, Syria - The Real Slim Shady - 10-14-2015
(10-14-2015, 01:04 AM)dotcppfile Wrote: I totally agree, and here's something that I like to add to this discussion:
See, the thing is that even though Russia has been supporting Assad since the beginning of all this, there's a lot of weird shit going on; everyone has been saying that 90% of the Russian airstrikes aren't really hitting ISIS rebels and then this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3270466/Saudi-Arabian-clerics-declare-jihad-against-Assad-Putin-s-forces-urging-Sunni-Muslims-join-rebels-shortly-rockets-fired-Russian-embassy-Syria.html which isn't something you can ignore and and isn't something they cane fake much since there's more than 50 clerics and academics onto it, now why would they do so if 90% of the Russian airstrikes aren't really harming ISIS?
But then you see this: http://www.voanews.com/content/eu-russian-action-in-syria-a-game-changer/3002130.html where the US is "publicly" arming the rebels "like crazy" because of this Russian intrusion, why though? Is the US trying to balance things up, since its been doing so for the past 3 years, or is it and Russia faking it all? If it's true that 90% of the Russian airstrikes aren't hitting ISIS rebels then these mother fuckers are just fine and, thanks to the US, got 50 tons of free munition...
Is the US and Russia taking down the Assad regime? Is Russia trying to save it? Are they both doing anything at all? It's the usual playground; we know shit of what's going on and it's fucking sad really.
It's really not that complicated.
Russia is helping the Assad regime
America is trying to topple the Assad regime.
The US is arming the people who are attacking Assad's forces and the russians.
Russia is arming (and now fighting with) Assad's forces.
This is what a proxy war is. America and Russia are not targeting each other. A US fighter jet won't shoot down a Russian fighter jet. No one wants another cold war or full on conflict between 2 major powers. But a Russian bomber will blow up the same people the US just armed. And rebels using US weapons are shooting at Russian forces.
But it's okay. Because it's not an American killing a Russian, or a Russian killing an American. It's just Russians, Americans, and Syrians killing other Syrians.
RE: Russia, US, Syria - Pirate - 10-14-2015
I hate how russia thinks that peotecting bashar al sheed or whatever his name is is a good thing
RE: Russia, US, Syria - BlueScreen - 10-14-2015
At least Russia is doing something. The United States is arming terrorists who are against ISIS with high power rifles and tanks. Russia on the other hand, which Im betting they dont broadcast on a lot of US news stations have actually killed more rebels/terrorists, among them a lot of ISIS members in one day than the US has done in a long time. Yes, Russia may want to partner up with the Syrian regime, but who gives a shit, at least they are doing something.
And so far Russia also has not bombed a fucking hospital, which is well known to all nations currently in Syria because they think the doctors may be unknowingly helping a ISIS member getting back to health. If it was up to me we'd just fucking nuke the US and the world would be so much better of.
RE: Russia, US, Syria - Pirate - 10-14-2015
(10-14-2015, 08:46 PM)BlueScreen Wrote: At least Russia is doing something. The United States is arming terrorists who are against ISIS with high power rifles and tanks. Russia on the other hand, which Im betting they dont broadcast on a lot of US news stations have actually killed more rebels/terrorists, among them a lot of ISIS members in one day than the US has done in a long time. Yes, Russia may want to partner up with the Syrian regime, but who gives a shit, at least they are doing something.Not defending americans inparticular here, but I don't see how its fair to nuke an entire country just for some of the bad stuff its done, especially the U.s since it really is only trying to fix the world, but everyone just hates their guts. Now I am not an american nor us citizen myself but I know some pretty cool Americans And I do support russia bombing isis, but still didnt putin say he would never support a regime like alsheeds, ever? Or something like that
And so far Russia also has not bombed a fucking hospital, which is well known to all nations currently in Syria because they think the doctors may be unknowingly helping a ISIS member getting back to health. If it was up to me we'd just fucking nuke the US and the world would be so much better of.