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Public Service Announcement - NetSeal + N00bs = Worthless - Xanii - 08-02-2013
Alright, let's face it guys. Sure, NetSeal is a cool system and all, but in reality, it does nothing to help you against crackers. It just relies on your customers being legit. If you do not know how to protect your software in the first place, good luck getting NetSeal to do any good.
Most newer and some older programmers are under the misconception that NetSeal is a catch-all cracker protector. WRONG! All it does is add a licensing system. It is VERY easily bypassed if you have no idea how to actually pack, obfuscate, etc your software.
Now, I'm not saying that doing any of that will 100% protect your software, but it sure makes it hard as hell and annoying as all fuck to crackers, and adds a good amount of wasted time to them. In order for your software to be 100% protected, you need to have it mostly just be a UI for a server based program.
You wouldn't believe the amount of "booters" I've come across that use NetSeal as their only line of defense. It's even funnier how many I have seen that are wannabe clones of my highly successful, uncrackable EXE booter Agony Booter. They don't understand that no, I'm not using NetSeal, I'm using my own system that I developed. I also am not programming my servers/irc client/shells/api into my EXE, but instead use a php hub that I created.
Again, all NetSeal does is just add a licensing system that can be useful to lazy experience developers, but it does not PROTECT your software.
TL;DR;
Protect your software, don't just add a lazy feature.
RE: Public Service Announcement - NetSeal + N00bs = Worthless - Eternity - 08-02-2013
So you're saying...use the Webcontrol is you want the be safe ? Hell no.
You should build the code in real-time and then un-compile it when the function is no longer used or something like that.
I think I've seen to much Fullmetal alchemist o.O
RE: Public Service Announcement - NetSeal + N00bs = Worthless - Platinum - 08-02-2013
I agree on this. It's far better to create your own kind of security system rather than using a very public one. Why do you think EVERY log in system of brand-websites is different? If they would be all the same then they'd all be cracked once one was cracked. What I'm trying to say is that once someone cracks this 'NetSeal' it means all the others are cracked too untill it's modified. <-- So it's useless..
RE: Public Service Announcement - NetSeal + N00bs = Worthless - Xanii - 08-02-2013
(08-02-2013, 09:15 AM)Eternity Wrote: So you're saying...use the Webcontrol is you want the be safe ? Hell no.
You should build the code in real-time and then un-compile it when the function is no longer used or something like that.
I think I've seen to much Fullmetal alchemist o.O
I didn't say anything about using a web control. You just need to make it all server sided, which is much easier than anyone thinks. You just need to send encrypted requests from the program to the server, and parse an encrypted response, along with using sessions, obfuscating, packing, VMing, etc.
RE: Public Service Announcement - NetSeal + N00bs = Worthless - Eternity - 08-02-2013
(08-02-2013, 09:17 AM)Xanii Wrote:(08-02-2013, 09:15 AM)Eternity Wrote: So you're saying...use the Webcontrol is you want the be safe ? Hell no.
You should build the code in real-time and then un-compile it when the function is no longer used or something like that.
I think I've seen to much Fullmetal alchemist o.O
I didn't say anything about using a web control. You just need to make it all server sided, which is much easier than anyone thinks. You just need to send encrypted requests from the program to the server, and parse an encrypted response, along with using sessions, obfuscating, packing, VMing, etc.
Ahh i see.
Or you could download the web page and use buttons(Controls) to "Remake" the website in .NET.
Wow that would be awesome o.O
RE: Public Service Announcement - NetSeal + N00bs = Worthless - Xanii - 08-02-2013
(08-02-2013, 09:24 AM)Eternity Wrote:(08-02-2013, 09:17 AM)Xanii Wrote:(08-02-2013, 09:15 AM)Eternity Wrote: So you're saying...use the Webcontrol is you want the be safe ? Hell no.
You should build the code in real-time and then un-compile it when the function is no longer used or something like that.
I think I've seen to much Fullmetal alchemist o.O
I didn't say anything about using a web control. You just need to make it all server sided, which is much easier than anyone thinks. You just need to send encrypted requests from the program to the server, and parse an encrypted response, along with using sessions, obfuscating, packing, VMing, etc.
Ahh i see.
Or you could download the web page and use buttons(Controls) to "Remake" the website in .NET.
Wow that would be awesome o.O
I'm just talking about having the program (UI) accept input and it processes it, sends it to the server, receives response, parse it, and display in a nice readable format. Think of my Agony Booter, and the Ferocity Booter that I programmed. It is 99% server sided.
RE: Public Service Announcement - NetSeal + N00bs = Worthless - Blackbone - 08-02-2013
hmmm how can i crack netseal
?
RE: Public Service Announcement - NetSeal + N00bs = Worthless - Xanii - 08-02-2013
You don't even need to crack it, just bypass it. Any .Net editor will work, but ONLY if the programmer didn't protect it the way that they should.
RE: Public Service Announcement - NetSeal + N00bs = Worthless - Shebang - 08-02-2013
Although .NET Seal is never marketed as anything other than a licensing system, I love it. The connections are not found by standard HTTP listeners like Charles and Fiddler, and provides a simple interface. Using a custom, free obfuscator such as a modified Confuser, your own custom obfuscator, or even a paid one should secure you for the most part.
RE: Public Service Announcement - NetSeal + N00bs = Worthless - Xanii - 08-02-2013
I never said that in the right hands it wasn't secure, just that noobs think it's a protect all.