+- Sinisterly (https://sinister.ly)
+-- Forum: General (https://sinister.ly/Forum-General)
+--- Forum: The Lounge (https://sinister.ly/Forum-The-Lounge)
+--- Thread: Life (/Thread-Life--49854)
RE: Life - Keepalive - 05-30-2013
[/quote]
I'm sure he did not mean to offend you.
[/quote]
[/quote]
As @Solixious stated my intent was not to offend you, and please except my apologies. I was merely to bring attention to how impossible the idea of God appears to me.
[/quote]
First I didn't take your statement As it's insulting Me ..So you Don't Have To apologies..But I Was mean It's Like scorning For God Concept..Cause God Can't Compared With Us..
That's Why I asked you If you Know enough About Religions..
[/quote]
I have studied religion at school (although that was a long time ago now) and have read parts of the bible but find it all very hard to believe. I have also studied physics and the a little astronomy and find that evidence makes a lot more sense to me, so as you can see I have made an informed decision.
[/quote]
Maybe That Because You have a Right logic Thinking..
Cause As i Said 2 times And This Is the Third One, The christianity Is A religion From God, But It Has been misrepresented..
[/quote]
You asked him if he had enough knowledge about religion. How many religion have you read about? Do you know how many religions even exist this world?
On the other hand, how much have you read about science that you claimed that people who are atheists believe in the impossibilities you mentioned? As the old saying goes, half knowledge is very dangerous. So it seems.
[/quote]
*I know that there's A lot of Religions But Not Alot oF logical One's..
I didn't Claimed That I have Unlimited Knowledge in science or Even in the Religions..
And that's Why i Posted This Thread , I thought Maybe me & Others Can Find The Right Path..
By the Way That P.S About Impsibilitis isn't By me,I Quoted it As you Can See..
But Can you Answer Me About it?
*The Religions As the Quran&History Mentioned
-Christendom (Psalms) - David [Disappear]
-Alhanifip(alsohof) Ibrahim [Disappear]
-Jewish (Altora) - Moses [interpolated]
-Christian (Bible) - Isa [interpolated]
-Islam (the Koran) - Mohamed [Wrong Understanding &Wrong appliance From Some Believers]Lead the unbelievers or other religions holders averse from it.
God Was Sendig for every age a suitable religion, with some differences But With Common Basics..
And Since the Islam is The Last religion Will Came Down To earth, Untill the Judgment Day ,God has Protected Quran from interpolating..
Honestly.. I wans't Tend to Talk About Islam Cause I know The way they Promote About it and In order not to bother some Christians..But So le it be..
Please Read About Islam From 'reliable Source' Then, Iknow That you Have A lot of suspicions and Questions..But Please Let Me know and I will try To Answer
ACCEPT MY APOLOGIES,IF I DID SOMETHING NEED ME TO.
RE: Life - Linuxephus™ - 05-30-2013
(05-30-2013, 07:40 PM)Keepalive Wrote: -Snip-
God is not a Religion that required God "to send a Religion".
Religion is a Man Made Ideology based upon finite understanding to explain the aforementioned "finite understanding" of what Man's Ideal is to establish an explanation of God.
None of which defines God, due to God already being Defined using his own Words, the Bible.
Of which, Christianity is not "interpolated", rather it is a word used to define those who willingly accept Christ as Savior and thereby Live by the Bible, which is the Word of God and whose Actions need no words to explain the self explanatory that those very actions define, to correct another misunderstood conception.
No individual should trust any source except the only source qualified to be called The Source, which is the Bible and none other when it regards God.
Lest any given "guide" mislabeled as a "source" expose the flawed misunderstanding falsely labeled as an "understanding" when in most cases such is painfully found to be flawed and easily obfuscated by any qualified to truly speak upon the subject matter.
Which first and foremost Requires an intimate knowledge in real world application of both the Bible and Science as a whole, leaving the human interaction as a positive byproduct on the subject.
RE: Life - Keepalive - 05-30-2013
Your ViewPoint Is Respected..
But you Consider The Bible Is the only God Words?
you Don't Think that Altora and Quran Is The God Words too..
Can you Tell Me Why
RE: Life - Linuxephus™ - 05-30-2013
(05-30-2013, 09:17 PM)Keepalive Wrote: Your ViewPoint Is Respected..
But you Consider The Bible Is the only The God Words?
you Don't Think that Altora and Quran Is The God Words too..
Can you Tell Me Why.
I don't think.
It gets in the way of Knowing.
Knowing is far more valuable than Thinking after all that can be thought has lead to Knowing.
The Qur'an was Muhammad's own writing in circa 600 AD, a very close 500 years at least after the Bible had been fully written in it's completion.
However, I do believe the Qur'an serves an important purpose for Muslims as it closely mirrors a great deal of the Bible.
I certainly hope that makes sense in it's simplest form.
RE: Life - Keepalive - 05-30-2013
What make's you 'sure' that the Qur'an is "Muhammad's own writing" Not By Inspiration from God..
RE: Life - Linuxephus™ - 05-30-2013
(05-30-2013, 09:39 PM)Keepalive Wrote: What make's you 'sure' that the Qur'an is "Muhammad's own writing" Not By Inspiration from God..
and What do you Mean in "serves an important purpose for Muslims "?
God makes me sure.
Because history makes note of those countless facts more times than I can even count.
Because I've read both and the Qur'an bears a striking resemblance to the Bible.
Have you read both?
Because every Muslim knows the very fact that the Qur'an was Muhammad's own writing as a means of inspiring his people to live within God's Law.
Because Muhammad realized that using the Bible as a foundation for God's teachings and thereby writing a similar teaching would have more of an impact on his people by way of acceptance.
Is it possible he was was inspired by the Bible to write the Qur'an?
Historically, factually, yes.
"It serves an important purpose for Muslims", exactly what is stated, is exactly what it means.
How can you not know this?
RE: Life - Keepalive - 05-30-2013
No.Ididn't read Thim Both
"Because every Muslim knows the very fact that the Qur'an was Muhammad's own writing as a means of inspiring his people to live within God's Law"
Who Said that ?(this is was What I meant in "Reliable Source") The Islam Says that Quran is God Words..
I don't Know What you Know about Islam ,But I suggest you to Have Deeper look of it..
" "It serves an important purpose for Muslims", exactly what is stated, is exactly what it means.
How can you not know this? "
Sorry, For A While I don't Sleep ,Excuse me
,I thought you mean Somthing Else..Anyway i think that if We are Pure and Honest Enough,God Will Show us the Right Way..
And Will Accept Us Regardless Christian or Muslim.
RE: Life - Linuxephus™ - 05-30-2013
@Keepalive:
"No.Ididn't read Thim Both"
-->>Exactly.
You haven't read Both in order to Know for sure.
Let alone in depth enough as ought be done when speaking on such matters.
"Because every Muslim knows the very fact that the Qur'an was Muhammad's own writing as a means of inspiring his people to live within God's Law"
"Who Said that ?(this is was What I meant in "Reliable Source") The Islam Says that Quran is God Words.."
-->>Scholars stated this.
Experts stated this.
History stated this.
Muhammad himself stated this in not so many words.
The Book written 500 years at least before the Qur'an states this.
"I don't Know What you Know about Islam ,But I suggest you tExactly.o Have Deeper look of it.."
-->>I begin to think I know more about Islam than you do with the current conversation currently taking place with the number of corrections currently being made to your own misunderstandings.
Indeed, you have no ideal what I know, thus alluding to what you appear to currently lack in depth on the subject material which in fact leads me to suggest you follow the very advice you make mention of first and foremost.
After all, were you paying attention to the subject at hand, you would note your flaw in stating "I don't know what you know about Islam", then you would clearly have known "since I've read both", that qualifies as in depth from the start.
"Anyway i think that if We are Pure and Honest Enough,God Will Show us the Right Way..
And Will Accept Us Regardless Christian or Muslim.
"-->>Thinking to reach a self-drawn conclusion does not save.
Acceptance of Christ saves.
Acceptance of God's Word/Law and obeyance to such is what saves.
Not what one thinks.
Hence there being a large difference in thinking versus the conclusion of Knowing.
Had you read anything in depth, you would already Know all of the above.
Correct?
Correct.
In summation: Muhammad originally had a very intimate knowledge of the Bible, which thereby inspired him to write the Qur'an for the benefit of all Muslims due to it's inherent and undeniable resemblance to the Bible and what is taught within the Bible.
Does this mean all Muslims go to hell?
Absolutely not.
It merely mean God's Grace allows an avenue for his own Word to be used in such manner that it spiritually educates for salvation and as such, it opens the door way to abiding by God's Law.
The Law being that which is for the Law Breaker, not for the those who live by the Law because the nature of the Law is such that the Law lives within those who abide by such.
Christ above all being that which is defined as the Law.
Does this discount Muhammad as a prophet of God?
Negative.
It in fact validates it, as does history and the scholars who study and publicize that history.
Though prophet and Son Of God should never be confused as being one and the same.
P.S.-God has already "shown us the right way", a well known fact bordering on 2000 years at current count.
The rest remains but a choice.
RE: Life - Nailo - 05-31-2013
@Linuxephus™ I have a theory if you may about Jesus i would like your input, ok The Romans documented crucifixion very well...they did many thousands of them (when the sparticus revolution took place they crucified 6000 in a day). They NEVER gave the body to the family as they needed to humiliate the body. They let it rot on the cross. So this is one discrepancy. And they did not crucify thieves...they crucified insurgents. This is why the legend of Jesus was more likely the legend of an insurgent. The Romans altered this story when they utilized christioanity in an effort to quiet the empire
will rebuttal @Keepalive as my per-occupied time allows.
Oh and whats your point of view about what pope francis said http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/shortcuts/2013/may/29/pope-francis-open-heaven-atheists
RE: Life - Nailo - 05-31-2013
@Linuxephus™ I have a theory if you may about Jesus i would like your input, ok The Romans documented crucifixion very well...they did many thousands of them (when the sparticus revolution took place they crucified 6000 in a day). They NEVER gave the body to the family as they needed to humiliate the body. They let it rot on the cross. So this is one discrepancy. And they did not crucify thieves...they crucified insurgents. This is why the legend of Jesus was more likely the legend of an insurgent. The Romans altered this story when they utilized christioanity in an effort to quiet the empire
will rebuttal @Keepalive as my per-occupied time allows.
Oh and whats your point of view about what pope francis said http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/shortcuts/2013/may/29/pope-francis-open-heaven-atheists