(02-13-2014, 09:44 AM)Lord English Wrote: Well I have sad news for you as to that you live in a society.
In this society everyone must pay a certain amount for many establishments, as you obviously know.
However, leaders of this society choose how things are done, so your view on what is fair and what is not, won't pay for these establishments.
And how would these criminals pay? At the end, when they're done with a pretty rough experience? Oh, they're in prison, I suppose we should put them into debt. Because, after all, everyone knows how much debt can improve morale and not make people run to another country! Nope! That kinda stuff never happened with regular citizens even!

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Taste the sarcasm.

Sidenote: "Self-proclaimed" means nothing. Something better should proclaim them as such because as much as it goes I'm a "self-proclaimed" wood expert.

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Not really, but you get my point.

Have they gone to prison? Have they seen it from the other side? I mean, it's only natural to know both stories right? Only knowing one only gives you a piece of information that is rather unstable and, in all likelihood, biased, because that's what humans like to do.

On a second sidenote, you're presenting a lot of opinionated information where factual would be much more suitable.
For example, you say television is a rewarding experience and good form of entertainment while I, outside of news or important national notices, consider it a cancer. Somehow I doubt I'm alone on this.

(02-13-2014, 09:55 AM)Satan Wrote: I'm not saying put them into debt as they get out. I'm saying put them to work as they are incarcerated to pay for the expenses they incur.

In society, does someone else pay for you, as an adult?

I have for the most part stated these are my opinions as well, perhaps I missed a few here and there to disclaim.

Also, regarding your talk of the television, this study, though a slight bit dated (3 years, and its stated people don't change that rapidly), deals with that sort of thing.

http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corporate/us/en/newswire/uploads/2011/04/State-of-the-Media-2011-TV-Upfronts.pdf

(02-13-2014, 09:55 AM)Satan Wrote: I have for the most part stated these are my opinions as well, perhaps I missed a few here and there to disclaim.

(02-13-2014, 10:04 AM)Lord English Wrote: Well I guess this may be relevant to ya:

http://nation.time.com/2013/08/21/welcome-to-prison-will-you-be-paying-cash-or-credit/



As for this? Well then that's my own bad. I guess I got over excited and it either slipped my mind or I read over it.

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Yes. Debates and discussions excite me. So sue me.

(02-13-2014, 10:11 AM)Satan Wrote: As far as that article goes, its not what I'm describing. They aren't expected to pay for their housing, in my scenario, only work to pay for it.

(02-13-2014, 10:15 AM)Lord English Wrote: So work doesn't equate to payment? Payment which is used to pay for things like... Housing? So I'm working to pay said housing.

Of course it's not exactly what you're describing, but it's the beginning of it. Things don't change overnight. Maybe you'll get what you're imagining, but that's happening now and it may develop into something more elaborate.
That's mainly what I was trying to imply.

EDIT: God it's 4AM and I'm looking at this and thinking "What the Hell am I even typing?". I may call it a night.

(02-13-2014, 10:23 AM)Satan Wrote: Eh, I meant to use incur debt rather than use payment.
They wouldn't form a debt that they have to pay upon leaving jail, that only furthers issues and is what usually is a problem for many people getting out of jail, a lack of money.
My mistake, I worded it wrong, in my head I had exactly what I meant, but I'm terrible at putting thoughts into text unless its a written story.

(02-13-2014, 11:17 AM)Cosmic Wrote: The moment you act on it, or attempt to involve other people in it - for example distributing child porn - in my eyes you very quickly go to lower on the piece of shit o meter than a murderer and just a tad under a rapist.