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RE: Intelligent Beings. - Fallen - 01-10-2014
(01-10-2014, 11:09 AM)Grin Wrote: Really? Do tell me the observations that led you to such a 'conclusion'.
No thanks.
I think that would be unproductive for myself and you as well.
RE: Intelligent Beings. - Grin - 01-10-2014
(01-10-2014, 11:28 PM)Fallen Wrote: No thanks.
I think that would be unproductive for myself and you as well.
Shying away from responding in a discussion as always. Productivity in itself is subjective so how can you tell me what is and what is not productive for me? Please, define productivity.
RE: Intelligent Beings. - thomas pendrake - 01-12-2014
I noticed that the phrase MOST evolved was used. Evolution is a process. It is conceivable that there is a final state of perfection. However to assume that failure to achieve that state of perfection means that humans or other animals are not intelligent is proof that we have not yet achieved that end. No homo erectus gave birth to a homo sapiens. Thousands of generations of intermediate people separate the different species. There are examples of apes that are neither chimpanzees or bonobos. Most non-African humans are part Neanderthal or part desinovan, or both. Detectable evolution has even occurred within the last 10,000 years. Hopefully there will be more to come.
RE: Intelligent Beings. - Singularity - 01-12-2014
(01-12-2014, 06:24 AM)thomas pendrake Wrote: I noticed that the phrase MOST evolved was used. Evolution is a process. It is conceivable that there is a final state of perfection. However to assume that failure to achieve that state of perfection means that humans or other animals are not intelligent is proof that we have not yet achieved that end. No homo erectus gave birth to a homo sapiens. Thousands of generations of intermediate people separate the different species. There are examples of apes that are neither chimpanzees or bonobos. Most non-African humans are part Neanderthal or part desinovan, or both. Detectable evolution has even occurred within the last 10,000 years. Hopefully there will be more to come.
Sources?
I have not really researched everything about our distant relatives so you could be making shit up for all I know, but there were 2 studies that I am familiar with about neanderthals. One saying that we may have interbred and one saying that they went extinct a few thousand years before we got there.
As for what you said about evolution it all depends on our conditions.
We could have evolved perfectly to conditions that we faced at a certain time,
but as conditions change we need to change along with it.
RE: Intelligent Beings. - thomas pendrake - 01-13-2014
https://www.google.com/url? 1.sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDsQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhumanorigins.si.edu%2Fevidence%2Fgenetics%2Fancient-dna-and-neanderthalhttps://www.google.com/url?2.sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CE4QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.nationalgeographic.com%2Fnews%2F2010%2F05%2F100506-science-neanderthals-humans-mated-interbred-dna-gene%2F&ei=q1zTUsaIKtWxsQT7h4DYDA&usg=AFQjCNHwUfD8OreQfxviJwOku7DkGiiSOw&sig2=Ux0aHzGyvb6aaBAzq5sgows&ei=q1zTUsaIKtWxsQT7h4DYDA&usg=AFQjCNES1taFDxnwZ8Xdo2_Jlj0ocWSYMQ&sig2=u2wGMgKIaTxLimP54LNInw
https://www.google.com/url?3.sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CEsQFjAG&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgenographic.nationalgeographic.com%2Fdenisovan%2F&ei=N5TTUsnILpHlsASqnIK4DA&usg=AFQjCNGZ-q0m8xXlks3pTqd4BRS02-MVSw&sig2=rXNCfI-xVFM84n8pW9a7Ww
Those were a couple of sites you may check.
RE: Intelligent Beings. - Fallen - 01-13-2014
(01-13-2014, 08:27 AM)thomas pendrake Wrote: https://www.google.com/url? 1.sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDsQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhumanorigins.si.edu%2Fevidence%2Fgenetics%2Fancient-dna-and-neanderthalhttps://www.google.com/url?2.sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CE4QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.nationalgeographic.com%2Fnews%2F2010%2F05%2F100506-science-neanderthals-humans-mated-interbred-dna-gene%2F&ei=q1zTUsaIKtWxsQT7h4DYDA&usg=AFQjCNHwUfD8OreQfxviJwOku7DkGiiSOw&sig2=Ux0aHzGyvb6aaBAzq5sgows&ei=q1zTUsaIKtWxsQT7h4DYDA&usg=AFQjCNES1taFDxnwZ8Xdo2_Jlj0ocWSYMQ&sig2=u2wGMgKIaTxLimP54LNInw
https://www.google.com/url?3.sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CEsQFjAG&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgenographic.nationalgeographic.com%2Fdenisovan%2F&ei=N5TTUsnILpHlsASqnIK4DA&usg=AFQjCNGZ-q0m8xXlks3pTqd4BRS02-MVSw&sig2=rXNCfI-xVFM84n8pW9a7Ww
Those were a couple of sites you may check.
Fix your links.
RE: Intelligent Beings. - thomas pendrake - 01-13-2014
(12-31-2013, 11:17 PM)ABC Wrote: If you ask me were just as bad as the "lesser" animals. If you look at it the human race is nothing more than really large packs of people that have learned to work together to better us all.
That's all it is. We have a chain of command that can be related to that of wolves.
Perhaps you are part of such a chain of command, but I assure you that I am not. Most humans who are part of a chain of command in my part of the word are not part of wolf-type packs. In fact, we tend to have laws against them.
RE: Intelligent Beings. - Fallen - 01-13-2014
(01-13-2014, 08:46 AM)thomas pendrake Wrote: Perhaps you are part of such a chain of command, but I assure you that I am not. Most humans who are part of a chain of command in my part of the word are not part of wolf-type packs. In fact, we tend to have laws against them.What sort of laws? We don't have to follow any laws. We can do whatever the fuck we want. There may be certain individuals who wish to contain other individuals who do not follow another persons' preference of lifestyle, although, they don't always succeed nor does their success necessitate following said laws.
RE: Intelligent Beings. - thomas pendrake - 01-13-2014
Organized crime. I am referring to gangs such as the Bloods and Crypts. You spoke of wolf-like chains of command. Obviously, you do not consider yourself to be part of such a chain of command. Perhaps you are a lone wolf.
RE: Intelligent Beings. - Fallen - 01-13-2014
(01-13-2014, 08:56 AM)thomas pendrake Wrote: Organized crime. I am referring to gangs such as the Bloods and Crypts. You spoke of wolf-like chains of command. Obviously, you do not consider yourself to be part of such a chain of command. Perhaps you are a lone wolf.
You must be talking to ABC...