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RE: Schizophrenic? - Zaiken - 08-23-2016

(08-23-2016, 03:18 PM)Sober Wrote: So, there's a chance that you will develop Schizophrenia in adult age. Shouldn't they look in to that,
and maybe come up with a treatment that will improve your odds of not developing Schizophrenia?

I'm pretty sure you can't not develop something you are born with such as a mental health illness you can treat it but you can't just get rid of it.,


RE: Schizophrenic? - Sober - 08-23-2016

(08-23-2016, 09:38 PM)Zaiken Wrote:
(08-23-2016, 03:18 PM)Sober Wrote: So, there's a chance that you will develop Schizophrenia in adult age. Shouldn't they look in to that,
and maybe come up with a treatment that will improve your odds of not developing Schizophrenia?

I'm pretty sure you can't not develop something you are born with such as a mental health illness you can treat it but you can't just get rid of it.,

Yeah I guess you are right.


RE: Schizophrenic? - yokai - 08-23-2016

(08-23-2016, 09:38 PM)Zaiken Wrote: I'm pretty sure you can't not develop something you are born with such as a mental health illness you can treat it but you can't just get rid of it.,

Depends on your definition of "cure". Some people learn to live with their "weaknesses" or "downsides" and learn to use those to their advantages, that to them, is a form of "cure". It's a trait that limits people, sure, but it isn't all a bad thing. In the same sense that we all have things we are good and things we are bad at. That limits us, but it doesn't make it negative as whole, it allows us to focus and surpass others in a thing or more. Take the artist known as "Savant", a man born with "Savant Syndrome" which lead to him only really being focused and liking music to the degree that he is barely capable of anything else on a "good level". Despite that, despite what is regarded as a "mental illness", he developed a career and reputation for being the "best" at something for a while.

He used what he know to its peek, and mastered it. Hence, even mental illnesses aren't all negative. Though unto the topic at hand here. (But quickly about something else first.) 

While I have never been diagnosed with any forms of mental illness, mainly because my parents never believed in going to a shrink and getting pills would help. Despite that, they both agree that if I did I would be diagnosed with at the very least ADHD or something alike it. (That and I was diagnosed with hyperactive behavior at at a young age, more than twice the normal amount.) In all honest, I do not believe in self-diagnoses and I am not saying that this is, but I wouldn't be shocked if I was diagnosed with it as I am right now. As for "depression" of any kind, that is something I have been diagnosed with, well kinda.  I was referred to a psychologist by a friend once, I did go and after a few sessions the doctor did say that even without a throughout test of it, the chance of me suffering from some form of depression was high.

Well getting the info I needed, I went on my way before getting a diagnose, out of personal beliefs on the matter. 

Unto the topic at hand for real this time. 

Schizophrenic isn't something I have first hand experience with, but I have read about it from time to time. While that doesn't give me a degree or credibility behind a answer. I'd like to give me two dimes about it. As far as I know, there is little to do with schizophrenic both before and after. Even less before it happens itself. Though one normal way to work against possible mental illness is to stop what leads to it. Such as getting a hold of depression before it develops to severe depression, or another minor illness before it develops. "Getting to the root of the problem" as it's called. Though despite of the chance, there is a chance that I will die tomorrow, or the day after. My two dimes is to talk with the doctors as soon as possible, if there is a possibility. If they say it is and the treatment options are limited then go to sleep the same day thinking of one thing. 

"From tomorrow and onward, I will use each day to its fullest." 



RE: Schizophrenic? - Zaiken - 08-23-2016

(08-23-2016, 10:02 PM)Crovus Wrote:
(08-23-2016, 09:38 PM)Zaiken Wrote: I'm pretty sure you can't not develop something you are born with such as a mental health illness you can treat it but you can't just get rid of it.,

Depends on your definition of "cure". Some people learn to live with their "weaknesses" or "downsides" and learn to use those to their advantages, that to them, is a form of "cure". It's a trait that limits people, sure, but it isn't all a bad thing. In the same sense that we all have things we are good and things we are bad at. That limits us, but it doesn't make it negative as whole, it allows us to focus and surpass others in a thing or more. Take the artist known as "Savant", a man born with "Savant Syndrome" which lead to him only really being focused and liking music to the degree that he is barely capable of anything else on a "good level". Despite that, despite what is regarded as a "mental illness", he developed a career and reputation for being the "best" at something for a while.

He used what he know to its peek, and mastered it. Hence, even mental illnesses aren't all negative. Though unto the topic at hand here. (But quickly about something else first.) 

While I have never been diagnosed with any forms of mental illness, mainly because my parents never believed in going to a shrink and getting pills would help. Despite that, they both agree that if I did I would be diagnosed with at the very least ADHD or something alike it. (That and I was diagnosed with hyperactive behavior at at a young age, more than twice the normal amount.) In all honest, I do not believe in self-diagnoses and I am not saying that this is, but I wouldn't be shocked if I was diagnosed with it as I am right now. As for "depression" of any kind, that is something I have been diagnosed with, well kinda.  I was referred to a psychologist by a friend once, I did go and after a few sessions the doctor did say that even without a throughout test of it, the chance of me suffering from some form of depression was high.

Well getting the info I needed, I went on my way before getting a diagnose, out of personal beliefs on the matter. 

Unto the topic at hand for real this time. 

Schizophrenic isn't something I have first hand experience with, but I have read about it from time to time. While that doesn't give me a degree or credibility behind a answer. I'd like to give me two dimes about it. As far as I know, there is little to do with schizophrenic both before and after. Even less before it happens itself. Though one normal way to work against possible mental illness is to stop what leads to it. Such as getting a hold of depression before it develops to severe depression, or another minor illness before it develops. "Getting to the root of the problem" as it's called. Though despite of the chance, there is a chance that I will die tomorrow, or the day after. My two dimes is to talk with the doctors as soon as possible, if there is a possibility. If they say it is and the treatment options are limited then go to sleep the same day thinking of one thing. 

"From tomorrow and onward, I will use each day to its fullest." 

Sadly i never mentioned the word "cure" i was just saying how you can't really get rid of it but you can learn to live with it and adapt for a more "normal" life. Pills or medicine can help stabilise you as long as you stay on medication you will be pretty much fine imo and obviously don't get overly stressed.


RE: Schizophrenic? - yokai - 08-23-2016

(08-23-2016, 10:08 PM)Zaiken Wrote: Sadly i never mentioned the word "cure" i was just saying how you can't really get rid of it but you can learn to live with it and adapt for a more "normal" life. Pills or medicine can help stabilise you as long as you stay on medication you will be pretty much fine imo and obviously don't get overly stressed.

Cure is defined by relieving a person or animal of the symptoms of the diseases. That is how the general public define it, hence why I said it depends on how you define it.  You commented that "you can't get rid of it". That specifically means you cannot "cure it" just in other words. Pills should only be used as a last resort, if there are no other ways. This is because pills aren't a natural source of the temporary "cure" and it is temporary at best. (At least that is what most people have come to think these days, me included.) Though as I said, if you define "cured" as being able to live with your weaknesses, then you can effectively "cure" a mental illness. As every human has drawbacks mentally, to some degree.


RE: Schizophrenic? - Zaiken - 08-23-2016

(08-23-2016, 10:13 PM)Crovus Wrote:
(08-23-2016, 10:08 PM)Zaiken Wrote: Sadly i never mentioned the word "cure" i was just saying how you can't really get rid of it but you can learn to live with it and adapt for a more "normal" life. Pills or medicine can help stabilise you as long as you stay on medication you will be pretty much fine imo and obviously don't get overly stressed.

Cure is defined by relieving a person or animal of the symptoms of the diseases. That is how the general public define it, hence why I said it depends on how you define it.  You commented that "you can't get rid of it". That specifically means you cannot "cure it" just in other words. Pills should only be used as a last resort, if there are no other ways. This is because pills aren't a natural source of the temporary "cure" and it is temporary at best. (At least that is what most people have come to think these days, me included.) Though as I said, if you define "cured" as being able to live with your weaknesses, then you can effectively "cure" a mental illness. As every human has drawbacks mentally, to some degree.

I define cure as getting rid of the illness completely as i have heard some many times "It is treatable, but not curable". and yes medicine or pills are temporary but for most mental health illnesses you would be much better off for taking them.


RE: Schizophrenic? - yokai - 08-23-2016

(08-23-2016, 10:21 PM)Zaiken Wrote: I define cure as getting rid of the illness completely as i have heard some many times "It is treatable, but not curable". and yes medicine or pills are temporary but for most mental health illnesses you would be much better off for taking them.

Hence why I said; "It depends on how you define it". Longer use of say pills can come with negative effects, several cases have been shown that he patient gets addicted to the pills and the feeling it gives them. (Much in the same sense as a drug addiction, well it is.) Now the issue here is that it adds to the problem. Because of said problem occurs, then a doctor would first need to fix that issue and then they would be back at square one. Think of it like this; A patient start at level 0 when they come to the doctor.
  • -1 Addicted to pills
  • 0 Mental illness
  • +1 Treated mental illness
There is always that chance, meaning pills isn't the universal answer to everything. In-fact, it is more common to become addicted to them than to have them "solve your problem" because it is easier. Hence why top-grade doctors only use pills as a last result and the reason you will find stuff like; "Shouldn't be taken in place of natural sources if you can" on vitamin pills and others alike it.