(07-03-2016, 11:24 AM)Eclipse Wrote: "Oh shit, I'm being attacked. But I'm a responsible gun-owner, so it's in my safe. Let me just ask this nice fella if I can walk over to my safe and fetch it before he kills me."

(07-03-2016, 02:31 PM)mothered Wrote:

(07-03-2016, 11:24 AM)Eclipse Wrote: "Oh shit, I'm being attacked. But I'm a responsible gun-owner, so it's in my safe. Let me just ask this nice fella if I can walk over to my safe and fetch it before he kills me."

Well, It seems as though you've put yourself In a position of helplessness.

I'll help you out here and state the obvious. Please take this under advisement. Don't lock your gun away- It somewhat defeats the purpose of owing It for reasons of "self-defense".

As always, I'm glad to be of assistance to you.

(07-03-2016, 02:53 PM)Eclipse Wrote: Wait so when massacres happen and all the gun-lovers say, "that'd never happen with my kids because I'm responsible and I lock up my guns", it's all bullshit?

(07-03-2016, 03:13 PM)mothered Wrote:

(07-03-2016, 02:53 PM)Eclipse Wrote: Wait so when massacres happen and all the gun-lovers say, "that'd never happen with my kids because I'm responsible and I lock up my guns", it's all bullshit?

You've completely misunderstood the entire context. As such, you're beyond any form of assistance from me.

My apologies, I'm sorry I can't be of any help. It's all good though, you'll only learn from your mistakes.

(07-03-2016, 11:24 AM)Eclipse Wrote:

(07-03-2016, 03:37 AM)mothered Wrote: I definitely agree with this. In the event someone attacks you with the Intention to kill (firearm or otherwise), the police aren't going to attend there and then.

That said, there can be a fine line with what's considered "self-defense" and "manslaughter". The decision to act on self-defense needs to be warranted and absolutely correct. This Is where a lot of cases get blown way out of proportion- particularly when there's so many sides to the story (from media, lawyers, etc). It's such cases that makes gun ownership all the more difficult.

"Oh shit, I'm being attacked. But I'm a responsible gun-owner, so it's in my safe. Let me just ask this nice fella if I can walk over to my safe and fetch it before he kills me."

(06-30-2016, 08:27 PM)Oni Wrote: You're more likely to be struck by lightning twice than be murdered with a gun if you're the average American.

False.

(07-03-2016, 07:26 PM)Oni Wrote: The chance of being struck by lightning is 1 in 3000. For some, the chance of being murdered is less than 1 in 100000.

(07-03-2016, 07:52 PM)Eclipse Wrote:

(07-03-2016, 07:26 PM)Oni Wrote: The chance of being struck by lightning is 1 in 3000. For some, the chance of being murdered is less than 1 in 100000.

The chance of an average person living in the US being struck by lightning in a given year is estimated at 1 in 960,000.[1] That's puts the probability at 1.04*10^-6. Getting struck twice puts that at 1.09*10^-12. Comparatively, the chances of dying as a result of an assault by firearm is about 1 in 25,000.[2] That's 0.00004, or about 4*10^-5, not even less than a single lightning strike.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_strike#Epidemiology
[2] http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/15/how-likely-are-you-to-die-from-gun-violence-this-interesting-chart-puts-it-in-perspective/

(07-03-2016, 08:35 PM)Oni Wrote:

(07-03-2016, 07:52 PM)Eclipse Wrote:

(07-03-2016, 07:26 PM)Oni Wrote: The chance of being struck by lightning is 1 in 3000. For some, the chance of being murdered is less than 1 in 100000.

The chance of an average person living in the US being struck by lightning in a given year is estimated at 1 in 960,000.[1] That's puts the probability at 1.04*10^-6. Getting struck twice puts that at 1.09*10^-12. Comparatively, the chances of dying as a result of an assault by firearm is about 1 in 25,000.[2] That's 0.00004, or about 4*10^-5, not even less than a single lightning strike.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_strike#Epidemiology
[2] http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/15/how-likely-are-you-to-die-from-gun-violence-this-interesting-chart-puts-it-in-perspective/

My source is more credible. "The odds of being struck in your lifetime is 1 in 3000."
1 in 25000 is the average for the US, including murder-happy cities such as Chicago. Many places, like Plano, have 1 in 100000.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/06/0623_040623_lightningfacts.html

(07-03-2016, 11:45 PM)Eclipse Wrote:

(07-03-2016, 08:35 PM)Oni Wrote:

(07-03-2016, 07:52 PM)Eclipse Wrote: The chance of an average person living in the US being struck by lightning in a given year is estimated at 1 in 960,000.[1] That's puts the probability at 1.04*10^-6. Getting struck twice puts that at 1.09*10^-12. Comparatively, the chances of dying as a result of an assault by firearm is about 1 in 25,000.[2] That's 0.00004, or about 4*10^-5, not even less than a single lightning strike.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_strike#Epidemiology
[2] http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/15/how-likely-are-you-to-die-from-gun-violence-this-interesting-chart-puts-it-in-perspective/

My source is more credible. "The odds of being struck in your lifetime is 1 in 3000."
1 in 25000 is the average for the US, including murder-happy cities such as Chicago. Many places, like Plano, have 1 in 100000.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/06/0623_040623_lightningfacts.html

Wikipedia cited the national weather service.[1] Your own source puts the figure at 1 in 700,000, not 1 in 3000. You can't compare homicides per year with lightning in a lifetime.

[1] http://www.srh.noaa.gov/jetstream/lightning/lightning_faq.html#2