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RE: I am a KIlleR - Frooxius - 08-25-2011
Okay a few questions...
1) Have you even ever tested this? Because this won't work at all for several reasons:
- You need administrator rights to even operate with the files and folders, which I doubt you'll have on school computers and such
- Even if you have administrator rights, you cannot delete system files just with a del command, you would need to add some flags to it so it would even see the system files
- You can't delete pagefile.sys at all, because it's being used by the system and even various file unlocking tools won't do any good. Not to mention system would just create a new one when it would start again anyway
- System won't let you delete some of the files anyway even with the flags I mentioned, because it protects them against this
2) What exactly makes it undetectable? It doesn't do anything that would hide its presence
3) How exactly does it infect the computer? It doesn't have any means of spreading on its own, you need to run it manually yourself and even then, it runs once and just attempts to delete a bunch of files and then it's exists. It doesn't anyhow integrate itself into other files. It doesn't even try to copy itself to apps to run after the system starts.
RE: I am a KIlleR - HrDe - 08-25-2011
(08-25-2011, 11:21 PM)Frooxius Wrote: Okay a few questions...
1) Have you even ever tested this? Because this won't work at all for several reasons:
- You need administrator rights to even operate with the files and folders, which I doubt you'll have on school computers and such
- Even if you have administrator rights, you cannot delete system files just with a del command, you would need to add some flags to it so it would even see the system files
- You can't delete pagefile.sys at all, because it's being used by the system and even various file unlocking tools won't do any good. Not to mention system would just create a new one when it would start again anyway
- System won't let you delete some of the files anyway even with the flags I mentioned, because it protects them against this
2) What exactly makes it undetectable? It doesn't do anything that would hide its presence
3) How exactly does it infect the computer? It doesn't have any means of spreading on its own, you need to run it manually yourself and even then, it runs once and just attempts to delete a bunch of files and then it's exists. It doesn't anyhow integrate itself into other files. It doesn't even try to copy itself to apps to run after the system starts.
have you run this on your own system?
RE: I am a KIlleR - Frooxius - 08-25-2011
Well I don't need to run it to know that it won't work, but to make you satisfied, I did run it, with full administrator privileges and it didn't delete any of the files (because like I explained, it's impossible to delete them like that, so it just got bunch of access denied messages) and all it did was initiate reboot, but thanks to the little message there, there was plenty of time to cancel it using "shutdown -a" so in the end, nothing happened. :-)
And all the information I said are facts based on how the system works, so they'll still stand. You need to do more sophisticated stuff to actually damage the system. If you want to prevent it from booting, you can try rewriting the MBR for example.
RE: I am a KIlleR - HrDe - 08-25-2011
(08-25-2011, 11:40 PM)Frooxius Wrote: Well I don't need to run it to know that it won't work, but to make you satisfied, I did run it, with full administrator privileges and it didn't delete any of the files (because like I explained, it's impossible to delete them like that, so it just got bunch of access denied messages) and all it did was initiate reboot, but thanks to the little message there, there was plenty of time to cancel it using "shutdown -a" so in the end, nothing happened. :-)i m not agree with u,i m also run it with Xp it destroy my file nd some person also use it nd given comment hw u say it.
And all the information I said are facts based on how the system works, so they'll still stand. You need to do more sophisticated stuff to actually damage the system. If you want to prevent it from booting, you can try rewriting the MBR for example.
RE: I am a KIlleR - Frooxius - 08-25-2011
On Windows XP, it can only delete Config.sys and Autoexec.bat, but these are not really important, because both are linked to DOS and Windows XP is from the NT family, so it's not based on DOS (while for example Win95 or Win98 are still 16/32b hybrids based on DOS) so it doesn't do any harm either, not to mention that most of my points and questions (you have answered none of them) still stand.
These are facts, you can either close your eyes before them or learn from them, choice is yours :-)
RE: I am a KIlleR - HrDe - 08-26-2011
(08-25-2011, 11:56 PM)Frooxius Wrote: On Windows XP, it can only delete Config.sys and Autoexec.bat, but these are not really important, because both are linked to DOS and Windows XP is from the NT family, so it's not based on DOS (while for example Win95 or Win98 are still 16/32b hybrids based on DOS) so it doesn't do any harm either, not to mention that most of my points and questions (you have answered none of them) still stand.hahahahaha,i think it only work not for u,because some time before it did not delete any file after my comment it delete two unimportant file after this i think all file delete,how many OS u use,
These are facts, you can either close your eyes before them or learn from them, choice is yours :-)
Well thanx for suggestion.
RE: I am a KIlleR - Frooxius - 08-26-2011
No, it doesn't work because of the reasons I described, that apply to the Windows operating systems (at least Windows NT family) and system protects these files, that's just how system normally works ;-)
I tried it on 3 computers with Windows 7 and another one with Windows XP. It's harmless on all of them.
Not to mention, all my questions still remain unanswered:
1) How is it a virus, when you need to run it manually and have full administrator privileges (viruses often use system exploits to gain these privileges even if the user doesn't have them)
2) What exactly makes it undetectable? It doesn't do anything that would hide its presence
3) How exactly does it infect the computer? It doesn't have any means of spreading on its own, you need to run it manually yourself and even then, it runs once and just attempts to delete a bunch of files and then it's exists. It doesn't anyhow integrate itself into other files. It doesn't even try to copy itself to apps to run after the system starts.
RE: I am a KIlleR - DeffoN - 08-26-2011
Stop the fight coz froxy is right at big !
Quote:1) How is it a virus, when you need to run it manually and have full administrator privileges (viruses often use system exploits to gain these privileges even if the user doesn't have them)You cant beat this hrde but dont worry you are here to learn
2) What exactly makes it undetectable? It doesn't do anything that would hide its presence
RE: I am a KIlleR - Frooxius - 08-26-2011
I'm not fighting, I'm merely stating the facts and provoking a thought about some important things, so that can be used for improvement :-)
RE: I am a KIlleR - HrDe - 08-26-2011
(08-26-2011, 12:23 AM)DeffoN Wrote: Stop the fight coz froxy is right at big !
Quote:1) How is it a virus, when you need to run it manually and have full administrator privileges (viruses often use system exploits to gain these privileges even if the user doesn't have them)You cant beat this hrde but dont worry you are here to learn
2) What exactly makes it undetectable? It doesn't do anything that would hide its presence
Hey he can never beat me,you think that how many system he use for test my thread 2-3 or unlimited,first he say my virus does not delete any file and second time say 2 file,what is this?,he only want i m run this on my system and loss my data.Some person say it work,does he foolish according to say? I think without run it do not given any conclusion.
Thanks!
(08-26-2011, 12:10 AM)Frooxius Wrote: all my questions still remain unanswered:Hi Frooxius,
1) How is it a virus, when you need to run it manually and have full administrator privileges (viruses often use system exploits to gain these privileges even if the user doesn't have them)
2) What exactly makes it undetectable? It doesn't do anything that would hide its presence
tonight when u asked again,i m going to sleep,so i did not given answer u.
Firstly it is not fight,sharing of thing between two person is a very good activities for enhance knowledge.
1: U ask hw it is virus because u are run it manually,First u know it is a base programing for make virus by batch scripting,u hide ur making virus to a file like .exe by use of .bat to .exe converter and bind it with any program and file and send to victim,so it is a small thing if i m tell u all thing,hw u make ur self a good Hacker .And other thing today many Virus which made by many good programing language are vault by AntiVirus and Windows Security,So it is only a small batch program.Only for new hacker.
2: u ask it find simply,So i m say if a new hacker say it then it right,i think u come into INTERMEDIATE state.For hide it u use file binder and if u use USB DATA TRAVELER then save it with AUTORUN .I think that i m given ur question's answer.If any problem then send me PM.
Well,I m very happy meet with u, in future i think we are given good guidance to each other.Thanks!