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RE: Social | The musical aspects of mainstream society. - Cyanide and Cynicism - 10-13-2013
(10-13-2013, 12:26 AM)Evangelist Wrote: Okay, listen to a song about Lil Wayne and give me a meaningful message.
I feel like you didn't really get their post.
What Ichi's trying to say is that some people don't care about the lyrics and only the sound, not all people are looking for d33p meaningful music. Some people just like to listen to something they can have on in the background and sound good.
RE: Social | The musical aspects of mainstream society. - Evangelist - 10-13-2013
(10-13-2013, 12:36 AM)Cyanide and Cynicism Wrote: I feel like you didn't really get their post.
What Ichi's trying to say is that some people don't care about the lyrics and only the sound, not all people are looking for d33p meaningful music. Some people just like to listen to something they can have on in the background and sound good.
If that was what that member meant then I should probably pay more attention when debating.
RE: Social | The musical aspects of mainstream society. - Kureo - 10-13-2013
(10-13-2013, 12:26 AM)Evangelist Wrote: Okay, listen to a song about Lil Wayne and give me a meaningful message.
Well, as my brain can't handle the sound of rap.. I searched the web for lyrics to a song made by Lil Wayne called Outstanding and I found 4 lines in the lyrics that can give a good meaning depending on the person. This is the following lines:
"Ya past left a scar
And ya future's lookin fatal
Ya can't be sorry
Ya gotta be a savior"
Now as I said, this may vary for person to person, but the way I see this for lines are something like this;
"You've had a rough and difficult past
Your future isn't looking brighter either
You can't be sorry for yourself and think about the bad
You've got to be the savior of your future that changes it for the better"
A person can find meaning in everything, and everything can change a meaning. Even a regular word like "Rock" can have a deep meaning to a person.
(10-13-2013, 12:38 AM)Evangelist Wrote: If that was what that member meant then I should probably pay more attention when debating.
You did seem to pay more attention the other times we've spoken., but that might be because you're a little annoyed at the moment because your point of view on the matter. ( Or it may be my lousy way of explaining just what the hell is going on in my brain.. )
RE: Social | The musical aspects of mainstream society. - Evangelist - 10-13-2013
(10-13-2013, 12:43 AM)Ichi Wrote: Well, as my brain can't handle the sound of rap.. I searched the web for lyrics to a song made by Lil Wayne called Outstanding and I found 4 lines in the lyrics that can give a good meaning depending on the person. This is the following lines:
"Ya past left a scar
And ya future's lookin fatal
Ya can't be sorry
Ya gotta be a savior"
Now as I said, this may vary for person to person, but the way I see this for lines are something like this;
"You've had a rough and difficult past
Your future isn't looking brighter either
You can't be sorry for yourself and think about the bad
You've got to be the savior of your future that changes it for the better"
A person can find meaning in everything, and everything can change a meaning. Even a regular word like "Rock" can have a deep meaning to a person.
Okay now, let's compare that (which is the best lyric work I have seen from Wayne) to a full paragraph made by 2Pac and you tell me which one has more meaning.
Quote:If I could recollect before my hood dayz
I'd sit and reminisce, nigga and bliss on the good days
I stop and stare at the younger, my heart goes to'em
They tested, it was stressed that they under
In our days, things changed
Everyone's ashamed to the youth cuz the truth looks strange
And for me it's reversed, we left them a world that's cursed, and it hurts
cause any day they'll push the button
and y'all condemned like Malcolm x and Bobby Hunton, died for nothing
Don't them let me get teary, the world looks dreary
when you wipe your eyes, see it clearly
there's no need for you to fear me
if you take your time to hear me, maybe you can learn to cheer me
it ain't about black or white, cuz we're human
I hope we see the light before its ruined
What I posted above has more than one meaning, essentially he is saying that adults complaining about the newer generations is completely hypocritical why? Adults are the ones who raised this generation and if they are complaining about it, the fault is not on the youth, it's in the elderly. That is just one of his songs, I can go about this all day.
Quote:You did seem to pay more attention the other times we've spoken., but that might be because you're a little annoyed at the moment because your point of view on the matter. ( Or it may be my lousy way of explaining just what the hell is going on in my brain.. )
We have spoken before? I will be honest, I am not doing good lately, my thoughts are all over the place and I can't focus. I am trying hard to debate, actually trying hard.
RE: Social | The musical aspects of mainstream society. - Kureo - 10-13-2013
(10-13-2013, 12:53 AM)Evangelist Wrote: Okay now, let's compare that (which is the best lyric work I have seen from Wayne) to a full paragraph made by 2Pac and you tell me which one has more meaning.
What I posted above has more than one meaning, essentially he is saying that adults complaining about the newer generations is completely hypocritical why? Adults are the ones who raised this generation and if they are complaining about it, the fault is not on the youth, it's in the elderly. That is just one of his songs, I can go about this all day.
We have spoken before? I will be honest, I am not doing good lately, my thoughts are all over the place and I can't focus. I am trying hard to debate, actually trying hard.
Well, you compared 4 lines to an entire paragraph, so its only logical that it will give a larger number of different meanings and ideals so I will not take that into this. However, its true that the meaning you pointed out is a good one, but so is the one I could point out in Lil Wayne's work. Also, maybe to certain people he gives a better and overall more meaning than another artist like Lil Wayne, but they both gives meaning and ideals to people. They themselves aren't the same person, they've shared different things, experienced different things, seen different things and so forth.
You can find a fault in anything, and you can find perfection in anything depending on the person viewing it. For example, the meaning you pointed out, I can find a rather major fault in it. You mean that 2Pac meant with that paragraph that how the current generation turns out is based on how the older generations raises it. That is highly incorrect in my personal opinion. If you tell a kid not to do something, yet he does it anyway and you punish him for doing it, yet it goes on doing the same thing over and over again and nothing works to change his ways. Does that really make you a bad parent, or does that simply make that kid unique in the way he is.
If everyone were to follow in the footsteps of their parents, then the world wouldn't really change or at least a lot slower than it already does. Not only that, but our generation is given the freedom to decided over our self, and if someone disagrees with the paths and choices we've taken, then that is their opinion. It doesn't make them hypocritical for that reason, it makes them of a different generations. However, that is my personal view and as I've stated. Art varies from opinion to opinion, so does meanings.
Also, yes we've spoken before. Though I might have been under different name at the time, also it saddens me to hear that you aren't doing well lately...
RE: Social | The musical aspects of mainstream society. - Evangelist - 10-13-2013
(10-13-2013, 01:09 AM)Ichi Wrote: Well, you compared 4 lines to an entire paragraph, so its only logical that it will give a larger number of different meanings and ideals so I will not take that into this. However, its true that the meaning you pointed out is a good one, but so is the one I could point out in Lil Wayne's work. Also, maybe to certain people he gives a better and overall more meaning than another artist like Lil Wayne, but they both gives meaning and ideals to people. They themselves aren't the same person, they've shared different things, experienced different things, seen different things and so forth.
You can find a fault in anything, and you can find perfection in anything depending on the person viewing it. For example, the meaning you pointed out, I can find a rather major fault in it. You mean that 2Pac meant with that paragraph that how the current generation turns out is based on how the older generations raises it. That is highly incorrect in my personal opinion. If you tell a kid not to do something, yet he does it anyway and you punish him for doing it, yet it goes on doing the same thing over and over again and nothing works to change his ways. Does that really make you a bad parent, or does that simply make that kid unique in the way he is.
If everyone were to follow in the footsteps of their parents, then the world wouldn't really change or at least a lot slower than it already does. Not only that, but our generation is given the freedom to decided over our self, and if someone disagrees with the paths and choices we've taken, then that is their opinion. It doesn't make them hypocritical for that reason, it makes them of a different generations. However, that is my personal view and as I've stated. Art varies from opinion to opinion, so does meanings.
Also, yes we've spoken before. Though I might have been under different name at the time, also it saddens me to hear that you aren't doing well lately...
What about the major rise of stupidity in the generation we are currently living in? Mediocrity is being promoted everywhere. Almost Everyone follows trends and so on, the freedom of choice you pointed out does not work for 99% of the population, why? People follow other people, example, religion, fads, and celebrities. How do you think the fad "swag" started? That is why people like Aleister Crowley existed, he believed that freedom of choice was to be fully free, in his mind if you wanted to fuck a rotten corpse you should. Now that is true freedom. The freedom you are speaking of, it's incarcerated by morals and rules.But then again, a world with no rules could be a dangerous world.
Now to 2Pac's verse, you need to think more than that, he wrote that, about parents in the ghetto and that generation of drug addicts and gangs. That past was transfered to the kinds now, however that is not what fucked up the generation, it was the internet. Now, I am not saying the internet is bad, but going back to the mediocrity side of my argument, parents now-a-days are letting their child be raised by technology. You can, see and read ANYTHING on the internet, and with little to no moral structure, kids emulate those behaviors. Have you played a video game and had a 12 year old kid say "I fuck your mom"? I have. Really by parents being mediocre that is the only example kids are having so they are learning that, I started saying shit like that when I was 18 years old.
RE: Social | The musical aspects of mainstream society. - Judas - 10-13-2013
Although I agree with most of your statements, saying that Immortal Technique is "barely known" is not true at all. No he's not mainstream at the moment, but he is and always will be one of the most respected rappers out there.
RE: Social | The musical aspects of mainstream society. - Evangelist - 10-13-2013
(10-13-2013, 01:27 AM)Judas Wrote: Although I agree with most of your statements, saying that Immortal Technique is "barely known" is not true at all. No he's not mainstream at the moment, but he is and always will be one of the most respected rappers out there.
Well if you compare him to Drake and Lil Wayne, he is in fact relatively unknown. You don't see Immortal Technique in the news for a little thing he did. Example, take Miley, anything she does is on the news.
RE: Social | The musical aspects of mainstream society. - Judas - 10-13-2013
(10-13-2013, 01:29 AM)Evangelist Wrote: Well if you compare him to Drake and Lil Wayne, he is in fact relatively unknown. You don't see Immortal Technique in the news for a little thing he did. Example, take Miley, anything she does is on the news.
He was big in his time, he hasn't released anything new in 5 years..
RE: Social | The musical aspects of mainstream society. - Ominous - 10-13-2013
What about Maroon 5? They at least must have some musical talent according to your views.