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RE: What out of these languages should i try? - Ominous - 10-12-2013
(10-12-2013, 08:17 PM)cxS Wrote: C++ is a low-level language? :S Even C is considered a mid-level language. Just the fact that you don't know this would make me wonder if you even know what you're talking about when it comes to C++ if I was reading your post.
What I meant it that it wasn't as high level as Python. According to what I know, which is not much.
RE: What out of these languages should i try? - Chalant - 10-15-2013
I recommend learning Java, although I'm slightly biased on that opinion because that's the language I'm most familiar with.
RE: What out of these languages should i try? - Harvey - 10-16-2013
Python, C, and Java. Do some Python until you know what you're doing. Understand logic structures and how programming is done. Once you have this understanding, you can switch syntax into C. The bulk of your learning will be done in C, the fastest of the three languages (as far as run-time goes). Using C will allow you to see the inner workings of applications. It'll show you the 'stripped back' side of programming that other languages such as Java mask so brilliantly. And then you'll want to move to Java to make some fat stacks.
(10-12-2013, 06:42 PM)Cake Wrote: I'd do java because you can get jobs easily that pay 25$+ an hour.
I know senior Java devs on $200 an hour.
RE: What out of these languages should i try? - Mendax - 10-17-2013
Java would be my take, even though I know nothing about it.
RE: What out of these languages should i try? - Cake - 10-22-2013
(10-16-2013, 04:15 AM)Harvey Wrote: Python, C, and Java. Do some Python until you know what you're doing. Understand logic structures and how programming is done. Once you have this understanding, you can switch syntax into C. The bulk of your learning will be done in C, the fastest of the three languages (as far as run-time goes). Using C will allow you to see the inner workings of applications. It'll show you the 'stripped back' side of programming that other languages such as Java mask so brilliantly. And then you'll want to move to Java to make some fat stacks.
I know senior Java devs on $200 an hour.
Yeah but like entry level shit can score you 25$ an hour.
RE: What out of these languages should i try? - Daaksin - 10-22-2013
I know it wasn't on the list, but I highly recommend C#!
This language will get you a kick-start in Object oriented programming which WILL make C++ and then more advanced languages just that little bit easier when you first begin them.
RE: What out of these languages should i try? - DarkFlux™ - 10-22-2013
VB is good for Starting off . but it always depends on your interest .
RE: What out of these languages should i try? - Chromium - 10-23-2013
Python & C++
I hate VB/Java, sorry but I just have to put that out there.
RE: What out of these languages should i try? - Dong - 11-08-2013
(10-12-2013, 06:33 PM)cxS Wrote: That is all opinionated from your perspective. That's nowhere near a reason why one shouldn't begin with VB.net. I think it's sufficient enough for getting used to control structures and abstract datatypes. C++ just makes all this much more difficult for someone who still needs to learn about numerical logic (datatype limits, bitshifting, etc...), and the rest of the basics before moving onto things that C++ has to offer such as templates, typedefs, complex iterators, and more. This whole thing about VB.net teaching bad habits is a load of crap.
Have you ever seen bad habits in C++? Because it happens just as much as someone programming in VB.net. You just don't see it as often because people get discouraged from C++ and thus you don't see a lot of C++ code out there as much as you would VB.net. The statistics for bad habits otherwise, would be the exact same.
system('cls'), using scanf() instead of more preferred methods, non type-safe strategies...
The programmer decides their own bad habits, this doesn't mean a language does it for you, don't be so blind to that fact. Python is easy too, but what's wrong with that? Python is also very powerful as a dynamic language.
I clearly stated "in my opinion" in my reply. Therefore, your first few sentences were absolutely unnecessary and it just shows that you're desperately grasping for something to debate about. So much so, that you rushed straight to the reply button before taking note of what I said.
Sure, I agree that people are responsible for maintaining bad habits majority of the time. However, some languages actually encourage bad habits. Some also encourage you, as a programmer, to depend on the compilers or the VM or whatever to do a lot more of the "behind-the-scenes" work than you should.
In addition to this, I never said that the language forces you to adopt bad habits. I was merely enforcing the point that many higher-leveled languages such as VB.NET and Java are designed to make things easier for the programmer. And in my opinion, they make it much /TOO/ easy. Not that this makes them bad languages, it just doesn't make them great languages to learn from... Especially as a beginner. Many important things will be handled for you that you would otherwise have to handle by yourself in languages such as Assembly, C/C++, etc. This usually makes for a difficult transition when switching from VB.NET to a language like C.
I'm just against VB.NET as a first language, so I stated my opinion as to why someone should not start with VB.NET. I've used VB.NET many times, and I will probably never recommend it to someone. That's all. My opinion remains intact.
Also, there are many other reasons which I won't bother speaking of since they can be easily found online. It would also involve me speaking of concepts that a total beginner wouldn't understand. This would therefore prevent them from fully understanding the significance of these particular downfalls.
RE: What out of these languages should i try? - w00t - 11-08-2013
Please stop reccomending people learn VB. Why not something like C#, which, while still being a shit language for just about everything, at least looks more like a programming language and less like an infants journal.