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Why I personally believe 9/11 may not be as it appeared. - Sir - 10-16-2013
9/11 we'll never forget that day...
This might make me sound a little crazy, maybe I am, but I honestly believe there was more to 9/11 than was let on.
Before I go any further please read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
Now here's my take on it, I'll leave out the numbers and income figures because I'm too lazy to research them all myself feel free to add them if you'd like to, oil runs the world, literally and if you follow the money trails every single time you purchased oil you were indirectly funding Al Qaeda, which as we all know hates America and wishes to see us torn to the ground.
So with us spending approximately 700 billion dollars a year on oil, (I'll be sparing and say that only 10% of that money went to fund Al Qaeda and similar organizations, when in reality it was likely more) every time you filled up the tank our enemies grew stronger and not to mention they controlled the supply of it, and thus they could dictate prices to be whatever they want (to an extent).
The way I see it is this, if 20 years passed, taking into account inflation and the price gouging of oil that's approximately 2.5-3 trillion dollars directly funded to our enemies. America is worth about 70t if I'm right. (Might want to check http://usdebtclock.org) That's about 5% of our nations worth over only 20 years, assuming they just sat on the money and didn't use it to make more money, and that's also assuming our economy continued to expand at the rates it originally was (not very likely). 100 years down the line which isn't too long when you're playing that game, it would be a significant threat to us, enough to potentially over throw us under the proper circumstances.
Now, this is where the politics come into play; see we as the USA are forced to abide and play by certain rules set forth by the UN. One of these rules is that, basically, we can't just invade another country for their resources, not only would it make us look bad it would have other nations thinking something along the lines of "What's stopping them from deciding they want our resources and taking them next"? Which would lead to WWIII (by the time you're reading it could be WWlV), and have the whole world at our throats, so that option is ruled out.
Our only other feasible and swift option, that I can think of, is to stage an attack, or according to some sources turn a blind eye to it, if they throw the first stone at us we're free to retaliate without fear of too many repercussions, sure it cost us a trillion+ dollars on the war (money which ultimately went back into the economy since we build all of our own war machines VIA private contractors) and the twin towers/pentagon (I don't know their value). Yet in the end, as a business expense it's worth it. We go there under false pretenses, get rid of who's in charge (remember when Saddam was torching the oil wells? He knew what we were after).
Well I'll probably add onto this later but I'm getting tired, if you have anything to add post it here and I'll try my best to work it in.
I hope that was enlightening, and maybe it was just good timing on our part but I honestly don't believe in coincidence, and they had to of known we would get UN clearance to retaliate if they attacked us first.
RE: Why I personally believe 9/11 may not be as it appeared. - Cressi - 10-16-2013
Hmm, interesting theory, I've heard worse.
RE: Why I personally believe 9/11 may not be as it appeared. - Combo - 10-16-2013
I also fail to see how 2 hijacked planes managed to fly for so long before hitting the towers. Umm. 2 of them.
I kind of agree. Humans are greedy and they will do anything or destroy anything if it means getting something more. I like to keep an open mind on these things. It's seriously fucked up if it was all staged though.
RE: Why I personally believe 9/11 may not be as it appeared. - Sir - 10-16-2013
(10-16-2013, 09:49 PM)Combo Wrote: It's seriously fucked up if it was all staged though.
Is it really that fucked up? What if it potentially saved all of America? Changed the future of the entire world? Gave your kids, and your kids kids a better and brighter future free from tyranny?
RE: Why I personally believe 9/11 may not be as it appeared. - Nil - 10-16-2013
I could very well be true. But giving us humans the benefit of the doubt, I can't fathom any government pulling a stunt like this on their own citizens. Sure, they fuck us over a lot, but to the extent of tearing apart thousands of innocent lives and effecting the country? You'll literally have to have zero morals.
RE: Why I personally believe 9/11 may not be as it appeared. - Sir - 10-16-2013
(10-16-2013, 10:34 PM)God Wrote: I could very well be true. But giving us humans the benefit of the doubt, I can't fathom any government pulling a stunt like this on their own citizens. Sure, they fuck us over a lot, but to the extent of tearing apart thousands of innocent lives and effecting the country? You'll literally have to have zero morals.
History repeats itself, morality is relative, the greater good etc..
RE: Why I personally believe 9/11 may not be as it appeared. - Nil - 10-16-2013
(10-16-2013, 10:39 PM)Sir Wrote: History repeats itself, morality is relative, the greater good etc..
I believe there is a consensus on general morality. Sure there are outliers, but to think that several people in the government had the balls to pull a stunt like that and still sleep at night is difficult to grasp.
About the greater good, we'd need concrete evidence of what might've happened had America not invaded. Until then, I can't really give my opinion. Also, I can't assume that the attacks on the twin towers and the pentagon was the BEST option for an excuse. If we're arguing the greater good, I'm certain there is something else America could've bullshitted to get their way. Making the "greater good" more agreeable and less severe.
I don't dive into many 9/11 conspiracies. So excuse my ignorance when I don't have any exact information of what could and should have happened.
RE: Why I personally believe 9/11 may not be as it appeared. - Sir - 10-16-2013
(10-16-2013, 10:48 PM)God Wrote: I believe there is a consensus on general morality. Sure there are outliers, but to think that several people in the government had the balls to pull a stunt like that and still sleep at night is difficult to grasp.
About the greater good, we'd need concrete evidence of what might've happened had America not invaded. Until then, I can't really give my opinion. Also, I can't assume that the attacks on the twin towers and the pentagon was the BEST option for an excuse. If we're arguing the greater good, I'm certain there is something else America could've bullshitted to get their way. Making the "greater good" more agreeable and less severe.
I don't dive into many 9/11 conspiracies. So excuse my ignorance when I don't have any exact information of what could and should have happened.
I could do it and sleep at night... The greater good. Call me a monster if you will, yet the way I see it is risking all of America, for a few thousand lives.
I'm not saying I wouldn't feel awful about it, but knowing I did what I believed to be in the best interests of America, or even the world for that matter (whatever slim of a chance it may be), I would sleep knowing I made what I truly believed to be the better of the hard choices given to me.
I don't dive into many conspiracies period, most are idiotic and ill conceived and that's being generous, yet when I found out oil money was funding our enemies, I ran some numbers out of curiosity. This was a realistic scenario and conclusion I came to.
Took me maybe a few hours, I did my best to check as many credible sources as possible (they could be lies, I know) during, if you wish to look into it be my guest, you can learn quite a bit about the world and a plethora of subjects in the process. I enjoyed myself.
RE: Why I personally believe 9/11 may not be as it appeared. - Nil - 10-16-2013
(10-16-2013, 11:01 PM)Sir Wrote: I could do it and sleep at night... The greater good. Call me a monster if you will, yet the way I see it is risking all of America, for a few thousand lives.
I'm not saying I wouldn't feel awful about it, but knowing I did what I believed to be in the best interests of America, or even the world for that matter (whatever slim of a chance it may be), I would sleep knowing I made what I truly believed to be the better of the hard choices given to me.
I don't dive into many conspiracies period, most are idiotic and ill conceived and that's being generous, yet when I found out oil money was funding our enemies, I ran some numbers out of curiosity. This was a realistic scenario and conclusion I came to.
Took me maybe a few hours, I did my best to check as many credible sources as possible (they could be lies, I know) during, if you wish to look into it be my guest, you can learn quite a bit about the world and a plethora of subjects in the process. I enjoyed myself.
You'd better be damn sure it's in the BEST interest before anything is done. And then you better be sure it is the LEAST severe option to still get the same results. Otherwise, I'd have no respect for someone who could do that and think it's all right.
Also, you took all my SP! I didn't realize I lose 100 SP if I bet 50. Dumb me.
RE: Why I personally believe 9/11 may not be as it appeared. - w00t - 10-16-2013
You can't pin the blame on anyone if your argument is that the purchase of oil funded Al-Qaeda, as every developed nation buys from the mid-east, and no one person buys that oil and its byproducts. A more interesting example would be how the States supplied the Taliban and associated rebel groups, including Osama bin Laden, with arms to fend off the Soviet invaders in Afghanistan.