[Nailo]

LiveFaster:
"Nothing is really a product of the human imagination. No human has ever experienced anything on the material plane. When someone says, "the universe came from nothing" - you are making this assertion without proof. Simply because no one knows where the universe came. Theistic Many believe that the Big Bang Theory states: the universe came from nothing. This is false. Just have a poor understanding of TB. There is a point at which physicists can not go beyond when measuring the beginning of our universe. Humans will never understand what came before the Big Bang. This is impossible. This will not stop the human mind trying to conceive what was there. Most people will solve "nothing" was there. Although it may well be true, no one will experience "nothing" to try "anything" was there. It's really a concept that affects the world of theoretical physicists."

-->>Nothing is really the product of human imagination until the human reaches the finite point in their individual life where understanding ceases to explain the unexplainable, thereby leaving the human imagination to imagine an answer after having failed to understand what they can not explain. Which then leads to the rationalization & justification of how one's own self drawn conclusion is correct regardless of clear evidence that states the contrary.
What is impossible is merely impossible because we as humans are finite, with a finite understanding that has limits, which in turn requires revelation to move beyond what is not understood.

Footnote: I botched the coding. So the current form will suffice nonetheless.

>"Nothing is really the product of human imagination until the human reaches the finite point in their individual life where understanding ceases to explain the unexplainable, thereby leaving the human imagination to imagine an answer after having failed to understand what they can not explain." do you have any proof of this statements or study's? i believe that you are suggestion that we are able to use our brain after we pass or are referring of a metal wall on ones understanding if so we have proven time and time again that we are able to destroys those walls with new technology and new capable minds, and imagination is not finite humans are and our personal agendas.

[Linuxephus™]

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"thereby leaving the human imagination to imagine an answer after having failed to understand what they can not explain." do you have any proof of this statements or study's?

Yes.
The very proof of it being seen with-in our world by you, me, and everyone else on a daily basis.
What do we do when we have no answer to something and research itself avails us naught?
We create an "answer" as a means of giving ourselves something by which to misguidedly understand something that our mind will then allow us to rationalize.
In turn: Do you have evidence or studies that contradict what I debate in the affirmative?

Footnote: The blush icon is the closest thing I could find to a wink or think icon.

[Nailo]

update my post above yours.

[Linuxephus™]

update my post above yours.

Duly noted.
Standby whilst I re-read the update and formulate further rebuttal.

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>"Nothing is really the product of human imagination until the human reaches the finite point in their individual life where understanding ceases to explain the unexplainable, thereby leaving the human imagination to imagine an answer after having failed to understand what they can not explain." do you have any proof of this statements or study's? i believe that you are suggestion that we are able to use our brain after we pass or are referring of a metal wall on ones understanding if so we have proven time and time again that we are able to destroys those walls with new technology and new capable minds, and imagination is not finite humans are and our personal agendas.

If "we're able to use our brains after passing", then have we really passed?
No.
In other words, no, I was not inferring what you assumed in those regards.
All things must at some point come to an end.
Which includes the imagination, qualifying it for being finite.
do we imagine after we pass?
No.
Regardless of the period of time that must be reached before the imaginings have reached there finality.
Even new technology and new capable minds have an End Of Life expectancy.
Therefore your own words confirm & even reflect my own above despite that not being your intention.
More to the point: What human's so often do not understand, becomes prone to interpretations that in many cases leads to belied Understanding.
Understanding being that which is known with supporting evidence.
Evidence which is truth.
Truth which stands of it's own accord and needs no validation or debate because it stands as proven.
A theory, regardless of it's kind, is still a theory until the facts support it's validation by way of evidence.
If a theory holds no evidential value, then it remains unproven and merely a theory no matter how we as humans may attempt to explain it.

[Nailo]

update my post above yours.

Duly noted.
Standby whilst I re-read the update and formulate further rebuttal.

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>"Nothing is really the product of human imagination until the human reaches the finite point in their individual life where understanding ceases to explain the unexplainable, thereby leaving the human imagination to imagine an answer after having failed to understand what they can not explain." do you have any proof of this statements or study's? i believe that you are suggestion that we are able to use our brain after we pass or are referring of a metal wall on ones understanding if so we have proven time and time again that we are able to destroys those walls with new technology and new capable minds, and imagination is not finite humans are and our personal agendas.

If "we're able to use our brains after passing", then have we really passed?
No.
In other words, no, I was not inferring what you assumed in those regards.
All things must at some point come to an end.
Which includes the imagination, qualifying it for being finite.
do we imagine after we pass?
No.
Regardless of the period of time that must be reached before the imaginings have reached there finality.
Even new technology and new capable minds have an End Of Life expectancy.
Therefore your own words confirm & even reflect my own above despite that not being your intention.
More to the point: What human's so often do not understand, becomes prone to interpretations that in many cases leads to belied Understanding.
Understanding being that which is known with supporting evidence.
Evidence which is truth.
Truth which stands of it's own accord and needs no validation or debate because it stands as proven.
A theory, regardless of it's kind, is still a theory until the facts support it's validation by way of evidence.
If a theory holds no evidential value, then it remains unproven and merely a theory no matter how we as humans may attempt to explain it.

"If a theory holds no evidential value, then it remains unproven and merely a theory no matter how we as humans may attempt to explain it".

its call a hypothesis if it holds no empirical evidence science 101, just like the concept of a god.

"Truth which stands of it's own accord and needs no validation or debate because it stands as proven." how is something true when it holds no empirical evidence ?

and don't come with the special pleading.

[LoneDevil]

Alright, both above parties agreed to keep things civil and not turn it into an argument.

SO thread reopened.

Now guys, it's already going slightly off topic, so if you could once it reaches the next page carry it over to private messaging, alright?
Thanks.

-Staff

[Linuxephus™]

LiveFaster:
"If a theory holds no evidential value, then it remains unproven and merely a theory no matter how we as humans may attempt to explain it".

its call a hypothesis if it holds no empirical evidence science 101, just like the concept of a god.

"Truth which stands of it's own accord and needs no validation or debate because it stands as proven." how is something true when it holds no empirical evidence ?

and don't come with the special pleading."

Footnote: Answered in PM for the public record.
Will post upon request if need be.