[MiS]

News source: http://news.yahoo.com/video-shows-man-sh...49422.html

BRIDGETON, N.J. (AP) — With the dashboard camera in their cruiser rolling, police pulled a Jaguar over for running a stop sign on a dark New Jersey night. But things suddenly turned tense when one of the officers warned his partner that he could see a gun in the glove compartment.

Screaming "Don't you f---ing move!" and "Show me your hands!" at the man in the passenger seat, the officer reached into the car and appeared to remove a silver handgun. Then, despite being warned repeatedly not to move, the passenger stepped out of the car, his hands raised about shoulder level.

The officers opened fire, killing him.

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SMH, I hate to see these.
I have also viewed a video similar to this recently, as well.
Terrible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeT_oSLtI-o

[Oni]

Now it's bad. Just because the guy owned a handgun, he was shot. It's completely legal to have a pistol in your car... It might need to be locked up, though.

[Arthur Curry]

Now it's bad. Just because the guy owned a handgun, he was shot. It's completely legal to have a pistol in your car... It might need to be locked up, though.

I guess that is one way to spin it, albeit a very wrong and misleading way. Is it always legal to carry a handgun in New Jersey? No. You must have a carry permit and if we do even the most superficial of background investigation on the victim we see that he does in fact have a criminal record: he shot at three cops and was arrested and convicted. Now I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure no one passes a background check with that on there.

So the guy is illegally carrying a gun and either ironically or by design the arresting officer was there for his last arrest and knew his record (attempting to kill cops) - and is undoubtedly very perturbed by the fact that a man who tried to kill three cops in the past is now only feet away with a handgun. Seems reasonable to me.

What doesn't seem reasonable is the attempt to get OUT of the car while an officer has a gun pointed at him telling him not to move.

In anticipation of ignoramuses: Do I think this guy deserved to die? No. That would be absurd. I do believe, however, that this is textbook Darwinism and that people stupid enough to not follow the orders of an officer who has a gun pointed at them are doomed to be the end of their genetic line. I think it would be cool if we had some telepathic robocops who could know the intent of suspects but unfortunately we don't. So instead we have humans who are expected to assess the minutia of every microsecond in order to be perfect in their handling of deadly situations. That's just never going to happen.

The moral of the story kids: when a cop tells you not to move because he thinks you'll try to kill him - because you have a record that shows you intend to do just that - don't move.

[Oni]

I guess that is one way to spin it, albeit a very wrong and misleading way. Is it always legal to carry a handgun in New Jersey? No. You must have a carry permit and if we do even the most superficial of background investigation on the victim we see that he does in fact have a criminal record: he shot at three cops and was arrested and convicted. Now I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure no one passes a background check with that on there.

So the guy is illegally carrying a gun and either ironically or by design the arresting officer was there for his last arrest and knew his record (attempting to kill cops) - and is undoubtedly very perturbed by the fact that a man who tried to kill three cops in the past is now only feet away with a handgun. Seems reasonable to me.

What doesn't seem reasonable is the attempt to get OUT of the car while an officer has a gun pointed at him telling him not to move.

In anticipation of ignoramuses: Do I think this guy deserved to die? No. That would be absurd. I do believe, however, that this is textbook Darwinism and that people stupid enough to not follow the orders of an officer who has a gun pointed at them are doomed to be the end of their genetic line. I think it would be cool if we had some telepathic robocops who could know the intent of suspects but unfortunately we don't. So instead we have humans who are expected to assess the minutia of every microsecond in order to be perfect in their handling of deadly situations. That's just never going to happen.

The moral of the story kids: when a cop tells you not to move because he thinks you'll try to kill him - because you have a record that shows you intend to do just that - don't move.

Right, but you can keep guns in your car in a lot of places. Not on your person (without a CHL). Also, the guy had no gun on him. By getting out of the car he didn't endanger them.

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pic related

[Arthur Curry]

Right, but you can keep guns in your car in a lot of places. Not on your person (without a CHL). Also, the guy had no gun on him. By getting out of the car he didn't endanger them.

Well New Jersey is not one of those places. So moot point is moot. I could argue all day that people in warlord-governed countries in Africa are allowed to carry class 3 firearms but that doesn't mean I can drive around with one here. He had a gun with him and was a convicted felon ipso facto he broke the law by having a gun.

As for not a threat: I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that he absolutely did not have another weapon on his person from what's shown in the video. Apparently you're a pro at "ocular pat-downs" but I'm not convinced that one could tell if he did or did not have another weapon on him. Frankly that point is also moot as there was nothing good that could have come of leaving the vehicle while being told not to.

[roger_smith]

I have to side a bit with Arthur on this one. If I'm LEO, I've found a firearm in your vicinity, and you're not obeying verbal commands, things may not go so well...

Here you're required to disclose if you are carrying and stopped by an officer in an official manner.

[WiZaRd sHiT]

i fucking hate this shit man like what the fuck the police could of shot him in the leg if he was panicking (not sure just looks like he was panicking) like wtf he just killed someone

[Blunt]

Goes back to my point earlier, World is at war and shit lol want no part of any of this and big government needs to be eliminated.