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Unless all users/posts were transferred over I don't think it would of succeeded even if it was the same setup. Nobody likes to have so much work and effort into there account and the next minute it all be gone.

when I first seen vsec it was ugly as fuck and I never clicked that register button.

You do have a point, but It's hard to say conclusively whether the new forum would've succeeded or not.

I'm just going by member feedback, being (as you've said) Vsec's ugly and somewhat disorganized setup and how they missed the look and feel of Ubers. Then again, a fresh start with zero posts and reputation Is not Ideal either for some members.