[S3xySmurf]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-41484402

Erin Joseph Finan, 38, and Leah Jeanette Finan, 37, from Indiana stole $1.2m in goods from Amazon by saying that the goods were damaged in the post, be aware guys there could be a small amount of fallback for a few people for this type of thing.

[Drako]

Erin Joseph Finan, 38, and Leah Jeanette Finan, 37, from Indiana

Oh wait, Indiana not...

[Exiled]

This don't deserve 20 years in prison let alone a $500k fine.

[S3xySmurf]

This don't deserve 20 years in prison let alone a $500k fine.

It's amazing how the law works you do something like this which is just basically exploiting a loop hole and making a business look like a bunch of retards you get hit with the maximum penalty, you go out and rape/murder someone you get a slap on the wrist compared to these charges.

[mothered]

The question Is, why didn't Amazon detect this earlier?

Although they used fake IDs, there would've been some sort of consistency In the way the Items were ordered, and the methods used to refund. 1.2 million worth of watches, cameras, video games etc Involves "a lot" of refunds processed.

[Ecks]

I have lived in Indiana, they have some very odd laws, after all the current VP of USA was the Governor of Indiana for a while. With any thing that can technically be illegal or skirts the law, you need to make sure to take precautionary measures (OPSEC) or else you might be the next one arrested.

[S3xySmurf]

The question Is, why didn't Amazon detect this earlier?

Although they used fake IDs, there would've been some sort of consistency In the way the Items were ordered, and the methods used to refund. 1.2 million worth of watches, cameras, video games etc Involves "a lot" of refunds processed.

I think the way Amazon currently checks for fraud related refunds is by the amount done per account so if you spread them out it may just go undetected for a little bit until somebody notices the same address or methods used to refund matching against separate accounts.

[Defeat]

Wow that's a hefty punishment

[mothered]

I think the way Amazon currently checks for fraud related refunds is by the amount done per account so if you spread them out it may just go undetected for a little bit until somebody notices the same address or methods used to refund matching against separate accounts.

In terms of "per account", I certainly agree. Every order Is based on the account on which It's generated.

I just think Amazon's order processing & refund management needs a serious overhaul. Let's do the math:

* Let's say these people had 100 fake accounts. Let's say on each account they refunded 700$ worth of Items. 100 * 700= 70,000$.
* Then let's say they refunded each account 18 times over. 18*70,000=1,260,000.

Given the value of each Item (700$) per account, an Investigation by Amazon would've should've taken place after the second refund attempt at the max. And these figures are  generous. As said, I can't fathom why Amazon neglected to act on It sooner.

[S3xySmurf]

I think the way Amazon currently checks for fraud related refunds is by the amount done per account so if you spread them out it may just go undetected for a little bit until somebody notices the same address or methods used to refund matching against separate accounts.

In terms of "per account", I certainly agree. Every order Is based on the account on which It's generated.

I just think Amazon's order processing & refund management needs a serious overhaul. Let's do the math:

* Let's say these people had 100 fake accounts. Let's say on each account they refunded 700$ worth of Items. 100 * 700= 70,000$.
* Then let's say they refunded each account 18 times over. 18*70,000=1,260,000.

Given the value of each Item (700$) per account, an Investigation by Amazon would've should've taken place after the second refund attempt at the max. And these figures are  generous. As said, I can't fathom why Amazon neglected to act on It sooner.

The thing that I'm confused about is that most of the time over $200 or more they usually ask you to send the item back damaged or not unless they did some social engineering I.E I got so mad I threw it in the bin. But I can't really see Amazon just replacing these items they are not low priced items.