[The Real Slim Shady]

This guys messages really resonate with me. Still watching but this might provide some motivation to make some changes in 2014

[Nailo]

A course not but if you have chosen to be part of a higher education through an institution, which requires you to show your knowledge base on assignments and exams, you better get to study instead of trying to make-less-of the grades that ONES is directly responsible for in the first place.

[unnamed]

A course not but if you have chosen to be part of a higher education through an institution, which requires you to show your knowledge base on assignments and exams, you better get to study instead of trying to make-less-of the grades that ONES is directly responsible for in the first place.

Absolutely, if you get in higher education you better get studying.That doesn't mean that education, as it is today, isn't fucked up.

[The Real Slim Shady]

Of course if you choose to go to university you might as well do the best you can and study.

But i think the point is that standardized education is not for everyone. It might be fine for many... but not every. I personally have some sort of issue where my mind has to be active. I cannot be left on idle. I cant sit still, and i cant focus on mind numbing boredom.

This last programming course I took, I finished off with a near perfect mark. 96% i think it was and i put very little effort into it. Meanwhile I took another course on information systems i damn near failed because it was so boring. I quite literally had to read a large book and memorize a whole lot of raw data and sit a 3 hour exam worth 50% of my final mark.

Am i stupid? incapable of creative thought? does my memory suck? i dont think so. I can remember numbers like nobodies business. i can actually recite from memory pi = 3.14159265. this is useless information but for some reason i retain it. And lots of other random data ive found to be interesting over the years.

exams only test what you are capable of remembering... Not what youve actually learned. I might have learned a whole great deal number of concepts... but come the test time... you use the wrong term, even if it means the exact same thing. The computer marking it is going to fail it. It also only covers what an instructor believes you should have learned.

But i can personally relate to this on a few levels. throughout primary and secondary school i was constantly judged and in trouble based on my grades. in school suspensions for not doing homework and the likes. But it wasnt because i was stupid. it was because i was bored. Why the fuck would i write a 5 page essay on to Kill a mockingbird... when could be reading about the history of the pyramids or the fall of ancient rome. why would i care what date the battle of chateaugay started when i could be programming a computer. There is so much more interesting things to learn about than being forcefed the same shit everyone else gets.

[3r3bus]

Whilst I agree to an extent, I feel this particular view on things isn't a good way to approach your education. I agree, I need stimulation to keep me interested; the whole 'exams won't decide my fate' or whatever is bullshit. If you approach your education with the 'I don't give a fuck' attitude because you're bored is just an excuse for you being stupid.

"I failed this exam because I was bored of the material" when in reality you failed because you're stupid correspondingly with that course. Notably I've failed many exams, and I admit it's because I'm hopeless at those particular subjects whilst I've excelled brilliantly in others not because the material excited me, but because I understand it.

If you want to do well, you've got to study. That's how you gain knowledge. Regardless of if it's boring, if you care you'll fight through it and get terrific marks. Your exam results DO reflect your intelligence because if you're bright, you'd pass? I really don't see it any other way.

[The Real Slim Shady]

Whilst I agree to an extent, I feel this particular view on things isn't a good way to approach your education. I agree, I need stimulation to keep me interested; the whole 'exams won't decide my fate' or whatever is bullshit. If you approach your education with the 'I don't give a fudge' attitude because you're bored is just an excuse for you being stupid.

"I failed this exam because I was bored of the material" when in reality you failed because you're stupid correspondingly with that course. Notably I've failed many exams, and I admit it's because I'm hopeless at those particular subjects whilst I've excelled brilliantly in others not because the material excited me, but because I understand it.

If you want to do well, you've got to study. That's how you gain knowledge. Regardless of if it's boring, if you care you'll fight through it and get terrific marks. Your exam results DO reflect your intelligence because if you're bright, you'd pass? I really don't see it any other way.

that same course i referenced... Information Systems... that i was so close to failing... One of the tests I did, i got the highest mark in the sitting (class was broken up into about 5 groups of 20). Now i cant speak for the other 4 groups. But i can say that in my group i certainly had the highest mark. My mark was a mere 60% pass. ~85% of my group got a failing mark on that test. I got 11/20 and 2 others got 10/20 - The subject was hard.

And i did study. I also studied for the final. like crazy. Went in with a cumulative grade average of 53% based on 2 previous tests and a final project. I needed to get 25/50 just to pass the course. I managed to pull off a 40/50 though. Raised my final GPA from the course a at least full grade point from 3.5-4 to a solid 5 *out of 7*

Have i learned anything from the course? absolutely not. if i had taken that exam again 3 days later i would have failed it. I still dont understand most of what they expressed in the course and i went to every single lecture and lab and read the book.

if i had understood it maybe i could have done better. but the exam didnt measure what i learned. I learned nothing. I utilized an ability i was forced to practice through years of schooling.

But i dont think that exam measured my intelligence in any form. it measured my ability to recall raw data. That doesnt equate very well to intelligence or knowledge on the subject imo.

[3r3bus]

Whilst I agree to an extent, I feel this particular view on things isn't a good way to approach your education. I agree, I need stimulation to keep me interested; the whole 'exams won't decide my fate' or whatever is bullshit. If you approach your education with the 'I don't give a fudge' attitude because you're bored is just an excuse for you being stupid.

"I failed this exam because I was bored of the material" when in reality you failed because you're stupid correspondingly with that course. Notably I've failed many exams, and I admit it's because I'm hopeless at those particular subjects whilst I've excelled brilliantly in others not because the material excited me, but because I understand it.

If you want to do well, you've got to study. That's how you gain knowledge. Regardless of if it's boring, if you care you'll fight through it and get terrific marks. Your exam results DO reflect your intelligence because if you're bright, you'd pass? I really don't see it any other way.

that same course i referenced... Information Systems... that i was so close to failing... One of the tests I did, i got the highest mark in the sitting (class was broken up into about 5 groups of 20). Now i cant speak for the other 4 groups. But i can say that in my group i certainly had the highest mark. My mark was a mere 60% pass. ~85% of my group got a failing mark on that test. I got 11/20 and 2 others got 10/20 - The subject was hard.

And i did study. I also studied for the final. like crazy. Went in with a cumulative grade average of 53% based on 2 previous tests and a final project. I needed to get 25/50 just to pass the course. I managed to pull off a 40/50 though. Raised my final GPA from the course a at least full grade point from 3.5-4 to a solid 5 *out of 7*

Have i learned anything from the course? absolutely not. if i had taken that exam again 3 days later i would have failed it. I still dont understand most of what they expressed in the course and i went to every single lecture and lab and read the book.

if i had understood it maybe i could have done better. but the exam didnt measure what i learned. I learned nothing. I utilized an ability i was forced to practice through years of schooling.

But i dont think that exam measured my intelligence in any form. it measured my ability to recall raw data. That doesnt equate very well to intelligence or knowledge on the subject imo.

I'm referring to proper study/understanding of the course. Not the night before study.

Regardless of marks it's up to the individual to properly educate themselves.

(I really want to make some brilliant racial remarks in regards to the video, I guess you could probably figure out where I'd go with it but I've only just returned to HC, I'm not entitled to whitty racial slurs... YET!).

[1llusion]

I've always believed a teacher should guide you, not tell you. When you are learning on your own, you might miss some resources, that is why we need teachers, who have experience and show us the right way for us to explore. I refuse to sit and write down word by word what the teacher says. I'm not sure how school looks in your countries, but here the majority is memorizing instead of thinking.

That is why everybody in my country hates math, they are forced do memorize instead of being taught how to logically think and solve problems. And that is a shame...

[3r3bus]

I've always believed a teacher should guide you, not tell you. When you are learning on your own, you might miss some resources, that is why we need teachers, who have experience and show us the right way for us to explore. I refuse to sit and write down word by word what the teacher says. I'm not sure how school looks in your countries, but here the majority is memorizing instead of thinking.

That is why everybody in my country hates math, they are forced do memorize instead of being taught how to logically think and solve problems. And that is a shame...

I agree, teaching methods play a major role. Unfortunately, it's often how you've described it. There's not much we can do other than teach ourselves which is what I end up doing 80% of the time anyway.

[AxwellMix]

What I got out of this was... wasn't much.

School, college and university are ways to move up in education/life, not ways to get where you want to be in life.

I don't agree with that exams shouldn't decide your fate. Exams are important and show your knowledge of a subject.

I don't know where he got his facts from but Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, etc. were actually educated. Not necessarily in the fields they are currently doing, but were educated in some way shape or form.

@1llusion

In the UK, It's the exact same, the majority of it is memorizing. I like learning, but having to memorizing something for an exam isn't learning. Hell, some of the teachers even said things like memorizing "x" should be enough to pass.

Learning should be more logic based.