[Eclipse]

Read the OP again, it pisses him off don't it?

Don't you think if something pisses someone off they want whatever it is changed?.

And it is not just America, when everything goes to shit in this world its always pointed towards America, it seems no other country can take the blame even when they do shit wrong they still blame it on America or act like nothing happened.

Having a rant and organising change are two very different things mate.

Heh, I wonder why.

[Pirate]

Well, the U.s says they are trying to fix the world and sometimes that may involve taking over other places. I would fully support their plan if some of it wasnt bullshit

[dotcppfile]

Read the OP again, it pisses him off don't it?

Don't you think if something pisses someone off they want whatever it is changed?.

And it is not just America, when everything goes to shit in this world its always pointed towards America, it seems no other country can take the blame even when they do shit wrong they still blame it on America or act like nothing happened.

Name me One single thing that comes to your mind since the 20s and I'll tell you why and how the American government had something to do with it...

As for the internet things? What was that seriously Lol. Making a change and Awareness are the same thing, everyone acts his own way, whether you're a dumb fgt with a blog or a l337 hax0r with havij on or a fgt on the streets, we're all complaining and we're spreading awareness when doing so which will cause others to do the same which is what we all want, everyone should know the truth about the fuck is going on, going to the streets with bunch of idiots saying random shit that aren't even politically related to anything ain't gonna make a change at all, a group of fgts can't change the whole system, awareness needs to be spread first across the whole country and when mostly everyone knows the truth about what's going on and open their damn fucking eyes that's when change will happen because you can't just plan a change, it doesn't work that way, it never did, and actually what I just said can be proven by what's been happening in the past few years in Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, etc...

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Well, the U.s says they are trying to fix the world and sometimes that may involve taking over other places. I would fully support their plan if some of it wasnt bullshit

Yes, ofc the US is changing everything and spreading freedom all over the damn planet and that's why we have hundreds of military bases across the whole damn world and we've done more than 180 wars! We're sure helping everybody that way mate! lol

[roger_smith]

A moment in US history that will reflect on the whole "majority rules" concept:

During the beginnings of the war for independence, the majority of people living in the colonies did NOT want to fight for independence from England. That's the kind of shit they don't talk about in history books. Only now that I'm older have I come to appreciate history, and tried to actually put myself in that position.

I tend to fall on the Libertarian side of things a lot, and I have the general opinion that if "they" aren't fucking with us, we shouldn't be involved with them. The only reason the US became actively involved in WWII is because the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Of course that brings the question of WHY did they, and frankly I can't remember (onboarding more coffee shortly) but that was the main event of WWII that brought the US in.

SINCE then, it seems like the US is up everyone's ass all the time everywhere. I re-watched Team America a year or so ago, and they honestly nailed that shit on the head.



/rambling, moar kaffee

[dotcppfile]

A moment in US history that will reflect on the whole "majority rules" concept:

During the beginnings of the war for independence, the majority of people living in the colonies did NOT want to fight for independence from England. That's the kind of shit they don't talk about in history books. Only now that I'm older have I come to appreciate history, and tried to actually put myself in that position.

I tend to fall on the Libertarian side of things a lot, and I have the general opinion that if "they" aren't fucking with us, we shouldn't be involved with them. The only reason the US became actively involved in WWII is because the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Of course that brings the question of WHY did they, and frankly I can't remember (onboarding more coffee shortly) but that was the main event of WWII that brought the US in.

SINCE then, it seems like the US is up everyone's ass all the time everywhere. I re-watched Team America a year or so ago, and they honestly nailed that shit on the head.



/rambling, moar kaffee

I didn't watch the video yet but what you're saying isn't totally right, the Japanese actions weren't really the main cause of this, such dumb facts can't ever cause any country to go to war, at least not this easily or simply, there's a lot of bombing going on all around the planet and you don't just decide to go ahead and join the damn war and nuke a fucking country up, it doesn't work that way lol.
One of the main reasons was this thing they call "The Great Depression", check this out: https://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2011/1...-the-same/ then check this out https://eh.net/encyclopedia/the-american...ld-war-ii/ for more detailed statistics, this WW2 wasn't as bad as everyone think, actually, it was one of the best shits that ever happened to the US...

[roger_smith]

I didn't watch the video yet but what you're saying isn't totally right, the Japanese actions weren't really the main cause of this, such dumb facts can't ever cause any country to go to war, at least not this easily or simply, there's a lot of bombing going on all around the planet and you don't just decide to go ahead and join the damn war and nuke a fucking country up, it doesn't work that way lol.
One of the main reasons was this thing they call "The Great Depression", check this out: https://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2011/1...-the-same/ then check this out https://eh.net/encyclopedia/the-american...ld-war-ii/ for more detailed statistics, this WW2 wasn't as bad as everyone think, actually, it was one of the best shits that ever happened to the US...

you and I will have to agree to disagree then. Yes part of it was the US economy. As we learned from WWI the economy improves during/after a war (roaring 20s).

However, to further drill down the point I'm making, I'll rephrase and say that the bombing of Pearl Harbor was the main CATALYST that engaged the US actively in WWII.

As far as the "you don't just join war and nuke", yea, you do, when you're the US. The nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a direct response to the attack on Pearl Harbor. This wasn't just a "I dropped a couple bombs on you" (as if that's not a big deal,) this was a "we destroyed most of your fleet, don't fuck with Japan" thing.

The attack commenced at 7:48 a.m. Hawaiian Time.[14] The base was attacked by 353[15] Japanese fighter planes, bombers, and torpedo planes in two waves, launched from six aircraft carriers.[15] All eight U.S. Navy battleships were damaged, with four sunk. All but Arizona were later raised, and six were returned to service and went on to fight in the war. The Japanese also sank or damaged three cruisers, three destroyers, an anti-aircraft training ship,[nb 5] and one minelayer. 188 U.S. aircraft were destroyed; 2,403 Americans were killed and 1,178 others were wounded.[17] Important base installations such as the power station, shipyard, maintenance, and fuel and torpedo storage facilities, as well as the submarine piers and headquarters building (also home of the intelligence section) were not attacked. Japanese losses were light: 29 aircraft and five midget submarines lost, and 64 servicemen killed. One Japanese sailor, Kazuo Sakamaki, was captured.

The attack came as a profound shock to the American people and led directly to the American entry into World War II in both the Pacific and European theaters. The following day, December 8, the United States declared war on Japan.[18] Domestic support for non-interventionism, which had been fading since the German attack on France in 1940,[19] disappeared. Clandestine support of the United Kingdom (e.g., the Neutrality Patrol) was replaced by active alliance. Subsequent operations by the U.S. prompted Germany and Italy to declare war on the U.S. on December 11, which was reciprocated by the U.S. the same day.

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The video doesn't teach anything, it was just for the lulz

[dotcppfile]

you and I will have to agree to disagree then. Yes part of it was the US economy. As we learned from WWI the economy improves during/after a war (roaring 20s).

However, to further drill down the point I'm making, I'll rephrase and say that the bombing of Pearl Harbor was the main CATALYST that engaged the US actively in WWII.

As far as the "you don't just join war and nuke", yea, you do, when you're the US. The nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a direct response to the attack on Pearl Harbor. This wasn't just a "I dropped a couple bombs on you" (as if that's not a big deal,) this was a "we destroyed most of your fleet, don't fuck with Japan" thing.

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The video doesn't teach anything, it was just for the lulz

No, you don't just nuke anybody and that is why we just used our Nukes in 1 war out of 200...
Here's the real truth behind the nuking: http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/08/07/why-w...st-3-days/ read it well and tell me if you think any of it is a lie and I'll prove you wrong.

[roger_smith]

No, you don't just nuke anybody and that is why we just used our Nukes in 1 war out of 200...
Here's the real truth behind the nuking: http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/08/07/why-w...st-3-days/ read it well and tell me if you think any of it is a lie and I'll prove you wrong.

I'm sorry, but the antiwar blog recap doesn't seem to say much other than the Manhattan Project needed to justify itself. That may be why we dropped nukes, but it doesn't discuss anything different about why we entered WWII. It does however help the main point of this thread in that the US gets away with some pretty twisted shit. I'm morbidly fascinated with Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the events that took place. Looking through images from those events, it's clear that nuclear bombs are something that should probably not exist.

[DarkMuse]

Name me One single thing that comes to your mind since the 20s and I'll tell you why and how the American government had something to do with it...

As for the internet things? What was that seriously Lol. Making a change and Awareness are the same thing, everyone acts his own way, whether you're a dumb fgt with a blog or a l337 hax0r with havij on or a fgt on the streets, we're all complaining and we're spreading awareness when doing so which will cause others to do the same which is what we all want, everyone should know the truth about the fuck is going on, going to the streets with bunch of idiots saying random shit that aren't even politically related to anything ain't gonna make a change at all, a group of fgts can't change the whole system, awareness needs to be spread first across the whole country and when mostly everyone knows the truth about what's going on and open their damn fucking eyes that's when change will happen because you can't just plan a change, it doesn't work that way, it never did, and actually what I just said can be proven by what's been happening in the past few years in Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, etc...

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Yes, ofc the US is changing everything and spreading freedom all over the damn planet and that's why we have hundreds of military bases across the whole damn world and we've done more than 180 wars! We're sure helping everybody that way mate! lol

You get it what I'm saying but disagree with my point. What I like about this is that you understand the semantics, and present your case in a respectable way. I really appreciate that. Thank you.

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A moment in US history that will reflect on the whole "majority rules" concept:

During the beginnings of the war for independence, the majority of people living in the colonies did NOT want to fight for independence from England. That's the kind of shit they don't talk about in history books. Only now that I'm older have I come to appreciate history, and tried to actually put myself in that position.

I tend to fall on the Libertarian side of things a lot, and I have the general opinion that if "they" aren't fucking with us, we shouldn't be involved with them. The only reason the US became actively involved in WWII is because the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Of course that brings the question of WHY did they, and frankly I can't remember (onboarding more coffee shortly) but that was the main event of WWII that brought the US in.

SINCE then, it seems like the US is up everyone's ass all the time everywhere. I re-watched Team America a year or so ago, and they honestly nailed that shit on the head.



/rambling, moar kaffee

This. We can't simply go over to other countries with different cultures and beliefs and just expect to not piss people off. We need to stay away from that shit. If they come to us, then it is their battle to fight not ours. It's how shit works, the weak die off and the strong survive. It sad and depressing and blah blah blah but too bad. That's the way the fucking mop flops. It's a dirty one.

[XFL]

I have decided to go on a rant today. With the new drone leaked information (http://www.wired.com/2015/10/a-second-sn...rone-docs/) I have reached a tipping point. The US gets away with fucking anything. The FBI turned Sabu into an informant (he is still in the wrong. fuck Sabu.) and used him to orchestrate occupy wall street, Sony, NATO etc. It pisses me off that the US government largely gets away with murder, corruption, and thievery. THEY are the criminals, THEY should be in fucking jail, THEY should be serving 109 year sentences NOT the people who are trying to expose the truth to the public. The government is NOTHING without it's people. The banks control everything. Money is fucking cancer in this society. It's appalling and I'm ashamed to be on this planet. Edward Snowden should be treated as a freedom fighter and I can only hope that he remains as such in the history books.

What are your thoughts, comments, concerns, etc.

Me as a US citizen: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There is not enough time in my day to care what my country does with the world around me. If I don't like it, I'll move.