[Boudica]

This thread was a little rambly, but it sounds like you're asking why each of us believes what we do about the universe's creation?

I suspect big bang is the closest thing to the truth, but I have no resolved idea of what I think spawned the universe, or how it works. I suspect Dark Matter will eventually give us the clues we're after, but I can neither confirm nor deny some of entity exists which caused our creation. I wouldn't really call myself religious, or atheist (although I have been an atheist for most of my life to date). My opinion is that none of us has enough information/evidence or knowledge to know the absolute truth. Religion is faith - a belief with no proof. There is no shame or issue with this. It's a means of understanding our existence, and I have no means to say to someone they're correct or incorrect.

I don't mind whatever people believe, as long as it causes no harm to someone else. However, as the OP says, humans aren't the most pure creatures, and we make decisions that hurt people. Wars around religion rarely have anything to do with religion in and of itself. It's normally a claim to land/power/control, under the sub context of religion. If no religion existed, we wouldn't have any fewer wars or fights.

It was a little rambly yes but it was more of a reply to literally someone asking the below thread owner(Which whom I assume is a Muslim) ''why do you think Allah is real?'' than a question. But thank you for your reply , It reminded me that I didn't that I didn't leave a reference to the original question from the other thread
https://sinister.ly/Thread-Do-you-own-your-body
Of course in order to make it have more sense I had to mix in a portion of thought trace of my own on how I got to a point of belief which I stand about the concept, cause in my experience when I do that people would understand what point of view I'm coming from and get less backlash ,I'm okay with backlash and arguments but I just didn't wanna waste extra time explaining my thought trace after I got someone mad, because a mad human is less likely to hear or understand anything that comes after they've been triggered , and I can't stand thinking twice about what I could've said or done differently.
About BIGBANG what I meant was that both of them(BIGBANG and GOD) explain the same thing in different perspectives or timelines and essentially are the same thing.
Dark Matter also is an unknown/dark field/matter that presumably could answer/explain many things in a most scientific way which is most logical accepted way through proof these days (although It's not perfect yet and can be biased and wrong sometimes!)and the reason It's still unknown in my humble opinion is the way we want to study and approach it, there could be many ways to study/prove it but we're stuck with certain methods that are widely accepted to majority and majority of any field from even any academic level is unfortunately is comparable to the majority that consists of people/humans that their biggest issue is to get a 9-5 to feed themselves in an environment they never even chose to live in or even people that like to flex their rollie ,or mine is bigger than yours!! no one's to blame really, except everyone! But that's the way it is , It is what it is till someone who actually gives an actual like a big fat F and sacrifice everything to change this falling world.(perhaps an anti-christ to call upon Jesus?I don't think so , I'm not religious anyways, except my own religion ofc..., although I do believe in self-fullfilling prophecy and the power of who's is bigger! That could make the promised apocalypse come true).
True a lot of wars are over lands and other materialistic things but most people grow up with from religious based or grown beliefs ,but the people behind these wars are in alot of cases driven by religion , it is easier to mix their own needs with a bit of religion if the majority if it goes with the majoritie's belief system specially if you get a green light to cut someone if they don't kneel and example would be called Jihad , purely mentioned jihad as an example no offense meant to my brothers out there!
Sorry if it was a bit rantish this time.
I'm just a psycho who cares too much!
Raven Out.

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in my view they are all eventually referring to 0

Many religions promote compassion, generosity, and forgiveness. Those are pretty decent principles to live by. We're a bunch of ants floating on a rock through space, still pondering what that "0" is.

Yes and they actually helped the old timers to live a better life in those times,100 Percent.
The world changes and time passes by and things grow and change , we just need tweaks and updates or next releases to fix bugs and errors.
RAVEN Out.

I understand what you mean! Providing information on your thought process or why you have that viewpoint can often help increase the level of understanding between you and the other people in the conversation. It's useful thing to do. My only critique would be to find a way to organise it when typing to make it a little easier to follow. I say that as someone who used to be very guilty of this myself! haha. It took me years to become a better writer, where I could get across the same detail with less words. It's definitely much easier said than done.

So, when you say GOD and The Big Bang are the same thing, am I correct in thinking you mean they are two ways to explain the same thing: i.e. The beginning of our universe?
I believe most, if not all, religions have different ways they approach that, whether it be a god entity or several god's, or something else entirely.

I understand what you are saying. That the leaders in religious wars are driven by religion, but my personal viewpoint is that when you go to the source of it, it's not religion at all. Let's take a look at history in Europe. Lots of versions of Christianity manifested over 2000 years, and many many wars occurred there. However, Religion and state were not two separate things. Religion = power. If you were a King, you were considered close to god, and therefore had the divine right to make decisions. Priests often had a lot of power in their communities, and would be given good homes and land. I can't think of a single example of religious war that at it's core, was truly about the religion itself. It's normally over two religious communities each claiming land as their holy land. There's no real reason they couldn't co-exist and find a way to share that space, other than human greed. Most religions teach against harming, murdering or hurting others.

Again, Christianity is a prime example, where the core values are to "love thy neighbour" and not to commit murder. Yet how many wars were waged under it's banner? This is why I say it's not the religion itself that cause the war. Religion is a way to explain the things humans can't explain. It doesn't force you to commit crime or bad acts. You can have communities from the same core religion, who behave so differently. This is why Muslim communities are treated so poorly in the Western world. There are some who study the same texts, but choose to act on them very differently. However, Mr Kurd on this board is living proof his religion is not vicious by nature. Often religion is used as an excuse for people's behaviour, but it's rarely the driving force itself.

Very interesting what you said about science! I was once told that science in it's own way, is also a belief system of sorts. We trust science more because what it tells us is more tangible. We can see, read, touch and experience some of what it tells us. However, science also get's it wrong sometimes. You only need to look at medicinal practices and how much they've changed over the centuries/decades to know that is true. When a new study comes to light about a topic, we will believe we know the "facts". Then, another study may find totally different results or reshape what we already thought was true. Therefore, those facts have changed. In which case, science isn't totally definitive or reliable.