[phyrrus9]

You can see it as people stealing stuff in real life. Why do people steal? Because they can't afford it or want to make money. This is the same reason why people do this online.

Put a buffer between the thief and the consequence and they will think less of their actions as being "wrong". Let them think they're stealing from a large organization and not from an individual that they know - they will think of it as less "wrong". Hence why you see so much of it online.

That is, until they start stealing from random Ebay sellers...

Agreed. Think what you want about retail theft, but when you start targeting ebay sellers that's a different story. Many of them are just regular people who are selling something because they need the money. It's literally stealing from the poor.

[mothered]

Edit- what is skids? @mothered

It's short for script kiddies.

Google It, there's an array of Information.

[Dismas]

Nice to see you posting. You've clearly overthought things, though. To the extent you're talking about Nietzche... Which is a little cliche, but okay. Plenty of people are clearly happy getting something they didn't pay for, though.

Doesn't mean they get mental stimulation or external satisfaction from it. Doesn't mean they don't derive satisfaction from other sources, or they aren't capable of anything more complex. I don't see people claiming their methods are innovative or complex, though.

Put a buffer between the thief and the consequence and they will think less of their actions as being "wrong". Let them think they're stealing from a large organization and not from an individual that they know - they will think of it as less "wrong". Hence why you see so much of it online.

That is, until they start stealing from random Ebay sellers...

Agreed. Think what you want about retail theft, but when you start targeting ebay sellers that's a different story. Many of them are just regular people who are selling something because they need the money. It's literally stealing from the poor.

Scummy, but we're not the moral police.

[DarkMuse]

Nice to see you posting. You've clearly overthought things, though. To the extent you're talking about Nietzche... Which is a little cliche, but okay. Plenty of people are clearly happy getting something they didn't pay for, though.

Doesn't mean they get mental stimulation or external satisfaction from it. Doesn't mean they don't derive satisfaction from other sources, or they aren't capable of anything more complex. I don't see people claiming their methods are innovative or complex, though.

That is, until they start stealing from random Ebay sellers...

Agreed. Think what you want about retail theft, but when you start targeting ebay sellers that's a different story. Many of them are just regular people who are selling something because they need the money. It's literally stealing from the poor.

Scummy, but we're not the moral police.

I wouldn't say over thinking, I guess when I'm upset I start to pull on things that are tucked away in the ol' thinking-box.

I think you've confused cliche with well-known however. Nietzche is a cornerstone in a lot of philosophies and he's one of my favorites. Regardless, I felt it was relevant to what I was getting to ^.^

[Dismas]

Nice to see you posting. You've clearly overthought things, though. To the extent you're talking about Nietzche... Which is a little cliche, but okay. Plenty of people are clearly happy getting something they didn't pay for, though.

Doesn't mean they get mental stimulation or external satisfaction from it. Doesn't mean they don't derive satisfaction from other sources, or they aren't capable of anything more complex. I don't see people claiming their methods are innovative or complex, though.

Agreed. Think what you want about retail theft, but when you start targeting ebay sellers that's a different story. Many of them are just regular people who are selling something because they need the money. It's literally stealing from the poor.

Scummy, but we're not the moral police.

I wouldn't say over thinking, I guess when I'm upset I start to pull on things that are tucked away in the ol' thinking-box.

I think you've confused cliche with well-known however. Nietzche is a cornerstone in a lot of philosophies and he's one of my favorites. Regardless, I felt it was relevant to what I was getting to ^.^

Did you just finish an Intro to Philosophy class?

Probably one of the most commonly cited philosophers. Less concerned about whether Nietzche is considered cliche or not, more concerned about the implications of having to modify/split an active section.

[DarkMuse]

Nice to see you posting. You've clearly overthought things, though. To the extent you're talking about Nietzche... Which is a little cliche, but okay. Plenty of people are clearly happy getting something they didn't pay for, though.

Doesn't mean they get mental stimulation or external satisfaction from it. Doesn't mean they don't derive satisfaction from other sources, or they aren't capable of anything more complex. I don't see people claiming their methods are innovative or complex, though.




Scummy, but we're not the moral police.

I wouldn't say over thinking, I guess when I'm upset I start to pull on things that are tucked away in the ol' thinking-box.

I think you've confused cliche with well-known however. Nietzche is a cornerstone in a lot of philosophies and he's one of my favorites. Regardless, I felt it was relevant to what I was getting to ^.^

Did you just finish an Intro to Philosophy class? [emoji14]

Less concerned about whether Nietzche is considered cliche or not, more concerned about the implications of having to modify/split an active section.

That wasn't really my intent of the thread. I just wanted to express how I felt (albeit a bit emotional looking back) I could understand people being frustrated with only seeing one topic on the new posts page over and over again however. Kinda was frustrated with all the music threads showing up too tbh.

Spoiler:

For a while, I was actually going to minor in philosophy so I was taking classes here and there for a while, some in school, some out.
I ended up deciding that it was more of a reading hobby and less of something that I wanted to pay several thousand a year for xD

[Skullmeat]

If we all played moral police this forum would be a very different and boring place. I'd wager that almost everyone here has done something illegal or shady at least once in their lifetime, myself included. If you dislike a particular subject, post about something else, instead of harassing and insulting users who are active. Focus on posting more, and we would see less of this. Users who make less than 15 posts a month and then complain about where the forum is headed aren't going to help.

[DarkMuse]

If we all played moral police this forum would be a very different and boring place. I'd wager that almost everyone here has done something illegal or shady at least once in their lifetime, myself included. If you dislike a particular subject, post about something else, instead of harassing and insulting users who are active. Focus on posting more, and we would see less of this. Users who make less than 15 posts a month and then complain about where the forum is headed aren't going to help.

So, to be clear, I'm not questioning peoples morals. Like you said, we've all been there for one reason or another. This thread was an attempt to find out why everyone was suddenly so interested in the stuff, and to propose my opinion which was more or less, "why do skid shit, when you can do so much more?" It's frustrating to see ANY category or topic over and over. Go through daily posts and I'm willing to bet that it's at least 65% SE stuff. I also understand your last point but I think that my opinion is still valid. Especially considering how long I've been here albeit not 100% active every day.

Lastly, I am not harassing anyone here. Do what you want to do but criticism is always going to be around. That's a part of free speech but most importantly, it's what helps us grow. My usage of the word moronic was directed towards the actions rather than towards the people. I've explained that in many threads and many discussions on the discord as well. I don't judge people, I judge actions and encourage people to pursue alternatives. I might not have the best idea of what an ideal person is but I try and push people to seek out real truths and values for themselves.

[Dismas]

If we all played moral police this forum would be a very different and boring place. I'd wager that almost everyone here has done something illegal or shady at least once in their lifetime, myself included. If you dislike a particular subject, post about something else, instead of harassing and insulting users who are active. Focus on posting more, and we would see less of this. Users who make less than 15 posts a month and then complain about where the forum is headed aren't going to help.

So, to be clear, I'm not questioning peoples morals. Like you said, we've all been there for one reason or another. This thread was an attempt to find out why everyone was suddenly so interested in the stuff, and to propose my opinion which was more or less, "why do skid shit, when you can do so much more?" It's frustrating to see ANY category or topic over and over. Go through daily posts and I'm willing to bet that it's at least 65% SE stuff. I also understand your last point but I think that my opinion is still valid. Especially considering how long I've been here albeit not 100% active every day.

Lastly, I am not harassing anyone here. Do what you want to do but criticism is always going to be around. That's a part of free speech but most importantly, it's what helps us grow. My usage of the word moronic was directed towards the actions rather than towards the people. I've explained that in many threads and many discussions on the discord as well. I don't judge people, I judge actions and encourage people to pursue alternatives. I might not have the best idea of what an ideal person is but I try and push people to seek out real truths and values for themselves.

I'm more curious what your solution to this "problem" would be. You've voiced your complaints pretty well, but I have seen you post very little in that section.

It's worth noting, that even if we did limit these discussions, we'd be limiting them based on the criteria of complexity or morality. For a forum that I wish to be all-inclusive, that isn't in my interest. Imagine if the other hacking sections were limited by complexity or morality as well?

[Boudica]

You can see it as people stealing stuff in real life. Why do people steal? Because they can't afford it or want to make money. This is the same reason why people do this online.

Put a buffer between the thief and the consequence and they will think less of their actions as being "wrong". Let them think they're stealing from a large organization and not from an individual that they know - they will think of it as less "wrong". Hence why you see so much of it online.

That is, until they start stealing from random Ebay sellers...

That's still a buffer. They haven't met the person irl. The consequences still feel more far removed.

If you're familiar with Milgram's experiments, you should definitely check out the variations on the core study. Absolutely fascinating and talks about that buffer effect. It's commonly used when looking at criminal behaviour in psychology.