RE: I am a KIlleR 08-26-2011, 12:17 PM
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hrde: Please read what I say carefully, because I said:
It can't delete any files on newer systems and then I specified that it can delete two files on Windows XP, that are not essential anyway and do not do any harm ;-)
And I tested it on several computers with full administrator rights. These used normal versions of system Windows and it DOESN'T work. Tell me, what could possibly make it work on the other systems? I stated several reasons why it won't work, based on how the system Windows operates, you still haven't disproved that anyhow. Please read my initial post again and only after you disprove EVERY argument said there, then you can talk about beating someone ;-)
The reason it can't delete them, is because you're asking the system to do that. You're using a system command to delete them, which calls another part of system that handles files and filesystem. You're basically just asking system to delete them, so it's the system what manages the actual deletion, up from the del command down to the kernel which generates appropriate commands for the harddrive.
And the system can simply decide in this whole path, that it won't allow you to delete them, which it does. That's how it works so here's another question:
4) What exactly would make it work on other computers? The system simply works the same and the principle of file deletion is same too, unless you modify the system itself or try to access the harddrive on the raw level, which you are not doing and you can't even do that using batch and basic system commands... So explain, why it would work? You're not accessing the harddrive on the raw level, you're simply asking the system itself to perform the deletion and system can simply refuse to do that, because it would damage it.
That person is definitely lying, because this won't work (all it can do is reboot a computer, which can be stopped by "shutdown -a" command, but the crucial systems are not deleted), or you misinterpreted what he said or he just said it works without actually testing it, like many people here do.
1) You actually haven't answered my question... So again, you still need to run it manually, there are no means of it spreading itself and trying to attack system vulnerabilities. You know, according to the definition, virus is a program that can copy itself and infect the computer, your script does neither of these actions even after binding it, hence not a virus.
And you still need full administrator privileges to do harmful activity like that and even then, it wont delete any crucial files to damage the computer.
2) But that doesn't make it undetectable. It doesn't try to protect itself against security software anyhow, neither hide itself from the user (in fact, you even show him a message that he's been ""infected"" (massive sarcasm quotes)).
Also, what good will Autorun do? Microsoft distributed an update longer ago that disables the autorun on flash drives completely, so you can't rely on that... Read here:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/securit...67940.mspx
3) You haven't answered this question at all.
Yes, new hacker can come to the intermediate state, but only by learning from his mistakes, not stupidly defending them with blabber while ignoring the facts and not actually answering the questions and denying the reality. You know the saying... It's human to make mistakes, but only idiots keep making the same ones again and again :-)
Quote:System won't let you delete some of the files anyway even with the flags I mentioned, because it protects them against this
It can't delete any files on newer systems and then I specified that it can delete two files on Windows XP, that are not essential anyway and do not do any harm ;-)
And I tested it on several computers with full administrator rights. These used normal versions of system Windows and it DOESN'T work. Tell me, what could possibly make it work on the other systems? I stated several reasons why it won't work, based on how the system Windows operates, you still haven't disproved that anyhow. Please read my initial post again and only after you disprove EVERY argument said there, then you can talk about beating someone ;-)
The reason it can't delete them, is because you're asking the system to do that. You're using a system command to delete them, which calls another part of system that handles files and filesystem. You're basically just asking system to delete them, so it's the system what manages the actual deletion, up from the del command down to the kernel which generates appropriate commands for the harddrive.
And the system can simply decide in this whole path, that it won't allow you to delete them, which it does. That's how it works so here's another question:
4) What exactly would make it work on other computers? The system simply works the same and the principle of file deletion is same too, unless you modify the system itself or try to access the harddrive on the raw level, which you are not doing and you can't even do that using batch and basic system commands... So explain, why it would work? You're not accessing the harddrive on the raw level, you're simply asking the system itself to perform the deletion and system can simply refuse to do that, because it would damage it.
That person is definitely lying, because this won't work (all it can do is reboot a computer, which can be stopped by "shutdown -a" command, but the crucial systems are not deleted), or you misinterpreted what he said or he just said it works without actually testing it, like many people here do.
1) You actually haven't answered my question... So again, you still need to run it manually, there are no means of it spreading itself and trying to attack system vulnerabilities. You know, according to the definition, virus is a program that can copy itself and infect the computer, your script does neither of these actions even after binding it, hence not a virus.
And you still need full administrator privileges to do harmful activity like that and even then, it wont delete any crucial files to damage the computer.
2) But that doesn't make it undetectable. It doesn't try to protect itself against security software anyhow, neither hide itself from the user (in fact, you even show him a message that he's been ""infected"" (massive sarcasm quotes)).
Also, what good will Autorun do? Microsoft distributed an update longer ago that disables the autorun on flash drives completely, so you can't rely on that... Read here:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/securit...67940.mspx
3) You haven't answered this question at all.
Yes, new hacker can come to the intermediate state, but only by learning from his mistakes, not stupidly defending them with blabber while ignoring the facts and not actually answering the questions and denying the reality. You know the saying... It's human to make mistakes, but only idiots keep making the same ones again and again :-)
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