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Hyperloop - The new way to get around? #1
I doubt I'm the only one who's been hearing about Virgin's hyperloop developments. I find it interesting, and it sounds vastly better than the trains we have now. However, I noticed this video makes no mention of the expense?


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RE: Hyperloop - The new way to get around? #2
Not this shiz again...

The appeal of the Hyperloop will go way down once photos of the first accident become available and the term "Spaghettified" enters the public vernacular.

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RE: Hyperloop - The new way to get around? #3
(08-30-2021, 12:06 PM)Boudica Wrote: However, I noticed this video makes no mention of the expense?
Although this article Is 5 years old, It gives a pretty good cost breakdown by Elon Musk.
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RE: Hyperloop - The new way to get around? #4
There's also some technological concerns which may make this sort of impossible, if ridiculously difficult, to pursue. Unless Musk has more than meme power to change how research is done, I doubt we'll ever see this be publicly operational in any meaningful scale.
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RE: Hyperloop - The new way to get around? #5
(08-30-2021, 04:44 PM)mothered Wrote:
(08-30-2021, 12:06 PM)Boudica Wrote: However, I noticed this video makes no mention of the expense?
Although this article Is 5 years old, It gives a pretty good cost breakdown by Elon Musk.

Interesting article. It makes a decent comparison of the costs an speed of other transportation methods like California's bullet train.

(08-30-2021, 08:36 PM)Mom Wrote: There's also some technological concerns which may make this sort of impossible, if ridiculously difficult, to pursue. Unless Musk has more than meme power to change how research is done, I doubt we'll ever see this be publicly operational in any meaningful scale.

I'm finding myself a little confused in this respect. There's articles claiming they don't need to develop new technologies for this to happen. And then there are many criticisms saying it's technologically impossible. I'm a little lost on how these claims are so different. It's either possible to build now, or it isn't and requires significant further tech development.
(This post was last modified: 09-04-2021, 12:34 PM by Boudica.)

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RE: Hyperloop - The new way to get around? #6
(09-04-2021, 12:32 PM)Boudica Wrote:
(08-30-2021, 04:44 PM)mothered Wrote:
(08-30-2021, 12:06 PM)Boudica Wrote: However, I noticed this video makes no mention of the expense?
Although this article Is 5 years old, It gives a pretty good cost breakdown by Elon Musk.

Interesting article. It makes a decent comparison of the costs an speed of other transportation methods like California's bullet train.

(08-30-2021, 08:36 PM)Mom Wrote: There's also some technological concerns which may make this sort of impossible, if ridiculously difficult, to pursue. Unless Musk has more than meme power to change how research is done, I doubt we'll ever see this be publicly operational in any meaningful scale.

I'm finding myself a little confused in this respect. There's articles claiming they don't need to develop new technologies for this to happen. And then there are many criticisms saying it's technologically impossible. I'm a little lost on how these claims are so different. It's either possible to build now, or it isn't and requires significant further tech development.

I think it's meant moreso as a pointless endeavor. Is it possible? Technically speaking, yes. In the same way it's possible for you to writhe and slither on the ground to the store, but we can both agree there's another method to get there that would cause you substantially less damage and even get you there faster. The technology we have can, in theory, make the hyperloop possible. However, both the risk and cost is so high that it makes "simpler" modes of transportation just make more sense to opt for. As is obvious, technology is a game of mitigating both risk and cost when compared to yield. The hyperloop, when we consider the yield, falls horrifically short when we compare it to said risk and cost.

The confusion really comes from the fact that we can technically do it, but it's just not worthwhile. We are talking billions of dollars for something that would require more R&D later down the road to make functional enough to be widespread and not simply a very costly experiment.
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RE: Hyperloop - The new way to get around? #7
(09-06-2021, 09:25 PM)Mom Wrote: However, both the risk and cost is so high
What type of risk are you referring to?
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RE: Hyperloop - The new way to get around? #8
(09-06-2021, 09:25 PM)Mom Wrote:
(09-04-2021, 12:32 PM)Boudica Wrote:
(08-30-2021, 04:44 PM)mothered Wrote: Although this article Is 5 years old, It gives a pretty good cost breakdown by Elon Musk.

Interesting article. It makes a decent comparison of the costs an speed of other transportation methods like California's bullet train.

(08-30-2021, 08:36 PM)Mom Wrote: There's also some technological concerns which may make this sort of impossible, if ridiculously difficult, to pursue. Unless Musk has more than meme power to change how research is done, I doubt we'll ever see this be publicly operational in any meaningful scale.

I'm finding myself a little confused in this respect. There's articles claiming they don't need to develop new technologies for this to happen. And then there are many criticisms saying it's technologically impossible. I'm a little lost on how these claims are so different. It's either possible to build now, or it isn't and requires significant further tech development.

I think it's meant moreso as a pointless endeavor. Is it possible? Technically speaking, yes. In the same way it's possible for you to writhe and slither on the ground to the store, but we can both agree there's another method to get there that would cause you substantially less damage and even get you there faster. The technology we have can, in theory, make the hyperloop possible. However, both the risk and cost is so high that it makes "simpler" modes of transportation just make more sense to opt for. As is obvious, technology is a game of mitigating both risk and cost when compared to yield. The hyperloop, when we consider the yield, falls horrifically short when we compare it to said risk and cost.

The confusion really comes from the fact that we can technically do it, but it's just not worthwhile. We are talking billions of dollars for something that would require more R&D later down the road to make functional enough to be widespread and not simply a very costly experiment.

Thank you so much for that. Beautifully explained. Especially rounded up with "we can technically do it, but it's just not worthwhile".

I suppose a comparison would be Concorde: Technically possible, but there's plenty of reasons we are no longer using it.

With this in mind, do you think we are ever going to be at a point whether the technology will make it practical, or is it not really worth investing in? Is it just progress for progress' sake and at great expense?

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RE: Hyperloop - The new way to get around? #9
(08-30-2021, 08:36 PM)Mom Wrote: There's also some technological concerns which may make this sort of impossible, if ridiculously difficult, to pursue. Unless Musk has more than meme power to change how research is done, I doubt we'll ever see this be publicly operational in any meaningful scale.

(09-04-2021, 12:32 PM)Boudica Wrote:
(08-30-2021, 04:44 PM)mothered Wrote:
(08-30-2021, 12:06 PM)Boudica Wrote: However, I noticed this video makes no mention of the expense?
Although this article Is 5 years old, It gives a pretty good cost breakdown by Elon Musk.

Interesting article. It makes a decent comparison of the costs an speed of other transportation methods like California's bullet train.

(08-30-2021, 08:36 PM)Mom Wrote: There's also some technological concerns which may make this sort of impossible, if ridiculously difficult, to pursue. Unless Musk has more than meme power to change how research is done, I doubt we'll ever see this be publicly operational in any meaningful scale.

I'm finding myself a little confused in this respect. There's articles claiming they don't need to develop new technologies for this to happen. And then there are many criticisms saying it's technologically impossible. I'm a little lost on how these claims are so different. It's either possible to build now, or it isn't and requires significant further tech development.

(09-06-2021, 09:25 PM)Mom Wrote:
(09-04-2021, 12:32 PM)Boudica Wrote:
(08-30-2021, 04:44 PM)mothered Wrote: Although this article Is 5 years old, It gives a pretty good cost breakdown by Elon Musk.

Interesting article. It makes a decent comparison of the costs an speed of other transportation methods like California's bullet train.

(08-30-2021, 08:36 PM)Mom Wrote: There's also some technological concerns which may make this sort of impossible, if ridiculously difficult, to pursue. Unless Musk has more than meme power to change how research is done, I doubt we'll ever see this be publicly operational in any meaningful scale.

I'm finding myself a little confused in this respect. There's articles claiming they don't need to develop new technologies for this to happen. And then there are many criticisms saying it's technologically impossible. I'm a little lost on how these claims are so different. It's either possible to build now, or it isn't and requires significant further tech development.

I think it's meant moreso as a pointless endeavor. Is it possible? Technically speaking, yes. In the same way it's possible for you to writhe and slither on the ground to the store, but we can both agree there's another method to get there that would cause you substantially less damage and even get you there faster. The technology we have can, in theory, make the hyperloop possible. However, both the risk and cost is so high that it makes "simpler" modes of transportation just make more sense to opt for. As is obvious, technology is a game of mitigating both risk and cost when compared to yield. The hyperloop, when we consider the yield, falls horrifically short when we compare it to said risk and cost.

The confusion really comes from the fact that we can technically do it, but it's just not worthwhile. We are talking billions of dollars for something that would require more R&D later down the road to make functional enough to be widespread and not simply a very costly experiment.

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(This post was last modified: 09-07-2021, 09:15 PM by sunjester.)

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RE: Hyperloop - The new way to get around? #10
(09-07-2021, 09:08 PM)sunjester Wrote:
(08-30-2021, 08:36 PM)Mom Wrote: There's also some technological concerns which may make this sort of impossible, if ridiculously difficult, to pursue. Unless Musk has more than meme power to change how research is done, I doubt we'll ever see this be publicly operational in any meaningful scale.

(09-04-2021, 12:32 PM)Boudica Wrote:
(08-30-2021, 04:44 PM)mothered Wrote: Although this article Is 5 years old, It gives a pretty good cost breakdown by Elon Musk.

Interesting article. It makes a decent comparison of the costs an speed of other transportation methods like California's bullet train.

(08-30-2021, 08:36 PM)Mom Wrote: There's also some technological concerns which may make this sort of impossible, if ridiculously difficult, to pursue. Unless Musk has more than meme power to change how research is done, I doubt we'll ever see this be publicly operational in any meaningful scale.

I'm finding myself a little confused in this respect. There's articles claiming they don't need to develop new technologies for this to happen. And then there are many criticisms saying it's technologically impossible. I'm a little lost on how these claims are so different. It's either possible to build now, or it isn't and requires significant further tech development.

(09-06-2021, 09:25 PM)Mom Wrote:
(09-04-2021, 12:32 PM)Boudica Wrote: Interesting article. It makes a decent comparison of the costs an speed of other transportation methods like California's bullet train.


I'm finding myself a little confused in this respect. There's articles claiming they don't need to develop new technologies for this to happen. And then there are many criticisms saying it's technologically impossible. I'm a little lost on how these claims are so different. It's either possible to build now, or it isn't and requires significant further tech development.

I think it's meant moreso as a pointless endeavor. Is it possible? Technically speaking, yes. In the same way it's possible for you to writhe and slither on the ground to the store, but we can both agree there's another method to get there that would cause you substantially less damage and even get you there faster. The technology we have can, in theory, make the hyperloop possible. However, both the risk and cost is so high that it makes "simpler" modes of transportation just make more sense to opt for. As is obvious, technology is a game of mitigating both risk and cost when compared to yield. The hyperloop, when we consider the yield, falls horrifically short when we compare it to said risk and cost.

The confusion really comes from the fact that we can technically do it, but it's just not worthwhile. We are talking billions of dollars for something that would require more R&D later down the road to make functional enough to be widespread and not simply a very costly experiment.

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