[817_091_278]

I know this has been debated to fucking death - but, I wanna discuss it here and hear your guys' opinions on this. Because, personally, I find it fascinating that this system has been as it is for all these years.

Now, most here will argue, "It's not about what you learn, it's about learning to learn" - well, the fuck? We spend the first years of our lives learning to walk, and then forced to sit down and shut up for the rest - we're not "learning" to learn, we're being forced to regurgitate in the way those in authority request us to do. And it's not that, kids need help, this isn't help, this is painfully boring work that causes many mental diseases in children; depression, anxiety, low self-esteem, etc.

I get that we need to know shit like WW2, but you don't have be a Nazi and demand dates of when certain events occurred. And, when kids cheat, it means they value the grades over what they learn (since that is what teachers value the most) - so it's not like anyone is remembering this shit anyways. The vast majority of kids do it just to please their parents, or other figures in their lives.

I always thought school should be an environment for people to increase their intellect; not limit and suppress it. Creativity and critical thinking is clearly discouraged to some extent in nearly every way.

As you can see, I have a lot of anger from all the years I wasted. I did quite well, but I never quite fully 'understood' why the fuck I was doing it. I was forced.

Anyways... I'd love to hear others' opinions on this shit.

[pvnk]

I have the same qualms as you. Education, however, is an extremely profitable business. In higher education, it is not about education or knowledge. It's about how much money they can milk out of you.

[Bish0pQ]

I know this has been debated to fucking death - but, I wanna discuss it here and hear your guys' opinions on this. Because, personally, I find it fascinating that this system has been as it is for all these years.

Now, most here will argue, "It's not about what you learn, it's about learning to learn" - well, the fuck? We spend the first years of our lives learning to walk, and then forced to sit down and shut up for the rest - we're not "learning" to learn, we're being forced to regurgitate in the way those in authority request us to do. And it's not that, kids need help, this isn't help, this is painfully boring work that causes many mental diseases in children; depression, anxiety, low self-esteem, etc.

I get that we need to know shit like WW2, but you don't have be a Nazi and demand dates of when certain events occurred. And, when kids cheat, it means they value the grades over what they learn (since that is what teachers value the most) - so it's not like anyone is remembering this shit anyways. The vast majority of kids do it just to please their parents, or other figures in their lives.

I always thought school should be an environment for people to increase their intellect; not limit and suppress it. Creativity and critical thinking is clearly discouraged to some extent in nearly every way.

As you can see, I have a lot of anger from all the years I wasted. I did quite well, but I never quite fully 'understood' why the fuck I was doing it. I was forced.

Anyways... I'd love to hear others' opinions on this shit.

Pretty good video about how the Educational system is not good.

[insidious]

Before my rant, personal view of school pretty much coincide with this video.



Now my rant :>

Fuck math, the science curriculum, and state/entrance exams (like SAT).

First, public schools give absolutely no fucks about there students. You can go through public school being suicidal, go to administration about it, and they won't give a shit because they don't want trouble. Guidance counselors aren't actually counselors, they don't give a fuck about you as much as the school doesn't give a fuck about you. All guidance counselors care about is putting you in 'safe' classes so that the public school will be ranked well in comparison to other schools, so that their school will get more funding, and they get paid more. They don't care about challenging you, expanding your perception about subjects/intellect/knowledge.

Math/Science Curriculums
Absolute shit. All they have you do is memorize shit and regurgitate it. All busy work in class.

That's not what math and science are Math and science are very theoretical, they are about exploring the world around us and drawing some sense from the chaos.
Heres the basic progression of math during public schooling:
Students learn addition/subtraction
2-2 = 0
3 + 2 = 5
etc.
Student asks "What if we subtract a larger number from a smaller one"
- the class laughs, while the teacher shortly explains that's impossible and you don't have to worry about it.
The start of next year is when you're introduced to negative numbers.

What I'm getting at here, is that the way Mathematics in school is currently taught is through creating a sense of confidence in something, and then absolutely contradicting the rules and methods you learned previously. You have to keep relearning shit, and can't trust the subject because the way it's taught is inherently flawed. This results in students not learning the 'logic' in mathematics; rather they just brainlessly memorize formulas, what to do in what situation, random shit so that they can get the right answer. They know that if they find some logic in the madness it's going to be broken apart the next year, anyway.

But that doesn't make sense, because math IS logic. It's fucking mathematics. Logic is the fucking basis, so it makes no fucking sense mathematics is taught that way.

One of the first courses taught in highschool should be a logic course, not fucking Algebra. At my public school, I didn't even know what logic was until I took my first Comp Sci course, and from there I realized that "hey, if i apply the same methodology in comp sci to math, it works!" and suddenly mathematics became a helluva lot easier.

Mathematics should be taught from more of a theoretical perspective. IE more like a philosophy course. Basically, more of the way it's taught in college. Once students can fully understand the theory, they can form their own theorems, come up with hypotheses, with their teachers help. THAT makes sense, that's not memorization, that's a course based on logic.
(clearly, if math was taught this way, i'd have to explain it/it would have to be better planned than what I just wrote)

As a consequence of shitty math skills students struggle in the sciences because things like Chemistry and Physics can be math heavy.

Bio just sucks cause bio sucks. fucking treehuggers.

/s

Spoiler:

then the private school kids get into all the good schools because their parents have the money to send them to a school with a good curriculum.

Whatevs, least I have social skills

Spoiler:

all the private school kids I know are very sexually frustrated, and don't know how to interact with the other gender
probs cause the only ones I know went to a one-sex school, but, that's just my experience.

[mothered]

I never quite fully 'understood' why the fuck I was doing it. I was forced.

You've nailed It right here.

Learning should be via your own volition, and not engaged because you "have" to or because others "want" you to. In my experience, If I have a significant Interest In a particular subject (as with my computing), the learning process becomes second-nature. As a result, I excel In a most positive manner.

[pvnk]

I never quite fully 'understood' why the fuck I was doing it. I was forced.

You've nailed It right here.

Learning should be via your own volition, and not engaged because you "have" to or because others "want" you to. In my experience, If I have a significant Interest In a particular subject (as with my computing), the learning process becomes second-nature. As a result, I excel In a most positive manner.

I think public schooling through high school is beneficial for the familiarization of very fundamental knowledge.

[817_091_278]

I never quite fully 'understood' why the fuck I was doing it. I was forced.

You've nailed It right here.

Learning should be via your own volition, and not engaged because you "have" to or because others "want" you to. In my experience, If I have a significant Interest In a particular subject (as with my computing), the learning process becomes second-nature. As a result, I excel In a most positive manner.

I think public schooling through high school is beneficial for the familiarization of very fundamental knowledge.

Familiarization? No it's not.

[pvnk]

You've nailed It right here.

Learning should be via your own volition, and not engaged because you "have" to or because others "want" you to. In my experience, If I have a significant Interest In a particular subject (as with my computing), the learning process becomes second-nature. As a result, I excel In a most positive manner.

I think public schooling through high school is beneficial for the familiarization of very fundamental knowledge.

Familiarization? No it's not.

In a circumstance where no one teaches you the fundamentals of knowledge and introduces you to the concepts of critical thought, it'd be somewhat difficult for one to start their educational career in or outside of an institution.

[817_091_278]

I think public schooling through high school is beneficial for the familiarization of very fundamental knowledge.

Familiarization? No it's not.

In a circumstance where no one teaches you the fundamentals of knowledge and introduces you to the concepts of critical thought, it'd be somewhat difficult for one to start their educational career in or outside of an institution.

They are not introducing you to understand what the renaissance was - they are forcing you to know when an artist was born, and what their creations were - and if you don't, you'll get punished. It's likewise with everything else.

I can understand mathematics to a agree - but still, that's flawed in various ways. Otherwise, all other classes, with the exception of gym, are, in my opinion, untoward and backwards thinking.

[pvnk]

Familiarization? No it's not.

In a circumstance where no one teaches you the fundamentals of knowledge and introduces you to the concepts of critical thought, it'd be somewhat difficult for one to start their educational career in or outside of an institution.

They are not introducing you to understand what the renaissance was - they are forcing you to know when an artist was born, and what their creations were - and if you don't, you'll get punished. It's likewise with everything else.

I can understand mathematics to a agree - but still, that's flawed in various ways. Otherwise, all other classes, with the exception of gym, are, in my opinion, untoward and backwards thinking.

Sometimes force is required for initiation.